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To: ctdonath2
A person is found on the sidewalk dead of foul play.

You're still thinking in the box. What's a sidewalk? A place owned by government. Almost of this kind of crime takes place in "public" places.

How often are people "found dead" in shopping malls? Almost never. Unlike governments, private citizens take care of their property. What's more, if it did happen, you can be damned sure that the owners would want to get the perp. This kind of thing could be bad for business, don't you know?

11 posted on 01/14/2002 7:58:07 AM PST by Architect
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To: Architect
A person is found on the sidewalk dead of foul play.

You're still thinking in the box. What's a sidewalk? A place owned by government. Almost of this kind of crime takes place in "public" places.

So we ban sidewalks -- and other "public" places -- and almost all murders will cease?

How often are people "found dead" in shopping malls? Almost never. Unlike governments, private citizens take care of their property. What's more, if it did happen, you can be damned sure that the owners would want to get the perp. This kind of thing could be bad for business, don't you know?

Three points:

1. Are you seriously suggesting that violent crimes "almost never" occur on private property? I would like to see some data to support this.

2. Why would the owners of a shopping mall necessarily be interested in pursuing the murderer of a stranger? True, a dead body can be bad for business. But if it the victim were not a family member, friend, or customer, the property owners could avoid bad press by simply disposing of the body quietly.

3. Suppose the owners of the shopping mall did decide to pursue the murderer. How much would it cost them to hire their own private investigator to do the job?

13 posted on 01/14/2002 8:24:19 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Architect
What's a sidewalk?

OH COME ON. You know what I'm getting at. You want to play silly games, fine: the body is found behind a dumpster at a grocery store (private property). Point is, someone has been murdered, and who it is & who did it is not immediately obvious to anyone.

In an anarchic government, it's in the grocery store's owner's selfish interests to just move the body from behind the dumpster to into it, and make the problem vanish. We could say noble things about the law of God being written on people's hearts and the inherent goodness in people and blather on about murder being bad for business, but fact is that dealing with a dead body by the dumpster is NOT in the manager's contract, and said body can easily be made to go away.

How often are people "found dead" in shopping malls?

You don't know, do you? Perhaps the seemingly low rate is because the brightly-lit, highly-monitored, carefully-watched-because-millions-of-$$$-in-business-is-happening location tends to deter shady behavior (such an environment cannot be extended everywhere). Perhaps it's because any "found dead"s are quickly and quietly taken care of.

But we dirgress.

Answer the question: a murder happens, and neither the victim nor perpetrator are immediately known - who notifies next of kin, and who apprehends the murderer?

20 posted on 01/14/2002 9:24:10 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Architect
How often are people "found dead" in shopping malls? Almost never. Unlike governments, private citizens take care of their property. What's more, if it did happen, you can be damned sure that the owners would want to get the perp. This kind of thing could be bad for business, don't you know?

Take another toke 'bro, you ain't high enough yet. Your solution is perfect in a society that does not breed contempt, jealousy, and greed. Your societal description is reflective of a StarTrek episode. It would take many generations of re-programming of mental processes to get to the utopia that you seek. But, you will never be able to simply throw some cultural switch and "whango-bango" everybody is "thinking ourside the box". Your utopian dreams are, at best, unattainable, and at worst, communism.

Semper Fi

49 posted on 01/14/2002 10:36:23 AM PST by Trident/Delta
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