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To: FormerLib
More on the Hagia Sophia -

"Written sources refer to "the number of clerics appointed to the service of the most holy Great Church of Constantinople. " The records list a total of 600 persons assigned to serve in Hagia Sophia: 80 priests, 150 deacons, 40 deaconesses, 60 subdeacons, 160 readers, 25 chanters, 75 doorkeepers. Another source reveals the extent of destruction and pillage which Constantinople suffered in the hands of the Catholic Crusaders after 1204 and the difficulties that the great church had to face from the 13th century onwards. Paspatis writes: "In 1396, during the patriarchy of Callistus II, a note was made in the second volume of patriarchal documents [Millosich-Muller] listing all the existing gold and silver sacred vessels, hieratic vestments, crosses, gospel-books and holy relics. The destitution of the celebrated church, looted by the Latin Crusaders became evident. I mention the most important objects, from which pillagers removed pearls and other ornaments of gold in later times.

"The church had: nine gospel-books, two of which remained in the church for the use of the priests, while the other seven much adorned the representations of embossed gold, were kept in the Skeuophylakion; five craters ...fourteen patens and chalices; six lavides [spoons]; six silver asterisks; four candelabra by the entrance; sixteen ripidia [fans]; eight crosses containing splinters of the True Cross and adorned with gold, silver and pearls; four aer [large veils]; twenty-six chalice veils and four patriarachal staffs; also a few icons, hieratic vestments and some relics of saints that had escaped the rapacious Crusaders...

"On Tuesday, May 29, 1453, Sultan Mehmet the Conqueror entered the vanquished city late in the afternoon and rode to Hagia Sophia. He was amazed at its beauty and decided to convert the Cathedral into his imperial mosque."

Let's retake Constantinople!!

121 posted on 02/03/2002 5:43:28 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Constantinople suffered in the hands of the Catholic Crusaders after 1204 and the difficulties that the great church had to face from the 13th century onwards. Paspatis writes: "

Isn't it ironic that it was Western Christendom itself which precipiated the downfall of the Byzantine Empire? It is likely the case that if the 4rth Crusade had not happened Byzantium might have continued or indeed expanded for many more centuries. Unfortunately, the Byzantine Empire never fully recovered from that Crusade.

124 posted on 02/03/2002 6:52:13 AM PST by Lent
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To: MarMema
Let's retake Constantinople!!

I think that before we restart the Crusades (see what you've got us thinking about Osama), we should start with the intent of the first two crusades, and bring peace to the Holy Land, in cooperation with the Israelis of course! One thing that may have not been posted to this thread is that the west would not exist, had the Byzantine Empire fallen to the Islamic Jihad of the first millenium. At that time, in the 7th and 8th centuries, the Jihadists would have been at the gates of Eastern Europe prior to the reign of Charlemagne.

131 posted on 02/03/2002 3:09:26 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: boltfromblue
see my posts 119-121 to better understand my loss.
139 posted on 02/04/2002 2:02:49 AM PST by MarMema
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To: MarMema
As a former student of classical history, I felt in part as you do. But if we were to retake all, the world would be in even more turmoil. The Aztecs, the Olmecs, the Toltecs would tear down Christian sites. The pagans would also overturn Christian sites, in the Mid-East, as many built on the sites of older spiritual sites, the Jews plan to happily tear down the Al Asqa? mosque to rebuild the temple, and where does this end? with out historical records. Maybe we all need to become spiritual rather than material
143 posted on 02/04/2002 12:59:20 PM PST by boltfromblue
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