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Bush Signs Largest Family Planning Bill In U.S. History
Covenant News ^ | 1/11/02

Posted on 01/11/2002 6:31:43 AM PST by truthandlife

On Thursday, January 10, 2002, the White House reported President Bush signed the ominous $15.4 billion foreign appropriations bill, H.R. 2506, for fiscal-year 2002. The bill authorizes $446.5 million U.S. tax dollars to be given to other countries for abortion-family planning activities throughout the world. The abortion-family planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase of $21.5 million over last year for international family planning. Also on Thursday, Bush signed the labor, education and health spending bill, and a defense spending bill that was widely reported by The Associated Press (Bush Signs Defense Spending Bill).


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To: DittoJed2
How can you still say that this article is misleading? The evidence is right in front of your nose.

Look, its like handing a serial killer a gun and saying "Now, you understand Mr. Serial Killer, that you can't use this gun to kill anyone else, right? (wink, wink)."

241 posted on 01/11/2002 12:34:14 PM PST by Aristophanes
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To: cicero's_son
You lost me there. Does that mean anything that can be used to kill someone, even if not used in the way it was intended, should be outlawed or made illegal?

Isn't that the very argument gun-rights proponents have been arguing against?

242 posted on 01/11/2002 12:35:53 PM PST by americaprd
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To: bayourod
I see a great amount of humor in you bushbabies. You sure don't like the way this thread is going, do you? Losing blind followers are you?

So you get juvenile and start with the "wacko, kook, etc." tactic. Good going. You lose more.

You folks truly believe your 'words' can overcome anything, don't you? Not Working! And will 'Not Work' even more in the near future. Folks are fed up with all of your alibis and methods.

243 posted on 01/11/2002 12:37:22 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: americaprd
"I clearly went over the top with my comments about abortion, but I think increasing funding for family planning for these nations is important to our national security."

That's been official U.S. policy for thirty years now.

Here's how it goes: if Kenyans reproduce then there will be more Kenyans. If there are more Kenyans then there are more agricultural workers. If there are more agricultural workers, then Kenya can produce much more than it can consume. If Kenya can produce much more than it can consume, then it will export agricultural products. If Kenya exports agricultural products, then they will compete with U.S. agricultural corporations, who already set internal quotas to maintain the price of agricultural products. So, if you want to make sure that U.S. agricultural corporations can turn a profit without competing with Kenya, then you make a relatively small investment and have U.S. sponsored groups drive down the Kenyan birthrate.

That's good U.S. policy only if you abandon the very principles on which our nation was founded. But it's the same ol' same ol': business is easy if you have guns and no ethics. You just have to convince people that something affects national security, and run with it.

Browse around Population Research Institute and www.africa2000.com a little. Be sure to read NSSM-200.

244 posted on 01/11/2002 12:37:53 PM PST by toenail
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To: americaprd
No--it's just that bayourod has been, imo, disingenously suggesting that because "birth control pills" are intended for contraception, the use of said pills to induce abortion does not "count" as abortion.

Sorry--i didn't make myself very clear there...

245 posted on 01/11/2002 12:45:58 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: rdavis84; bayourod
Folks are fed up with all of your alibis and methods.

Doesn't it amaze you that folks like bayourod and the rest of the Bushbots don't ever ask themselves, "Hey, if Bush is so conservative, why am I always having to apologize and alibi Bush against charges that he's not?"

246 posted on 01/11/2002 12:47:07 PM PST by Aristophanes
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To: cicero's_son
bayourod has been, imo, disingenously suggesting that because "birth control pills" are intended for contraception, the use of said pills to induce abortion does not "count" as abortion.

Exactly right. You nailed it there.

247 posted on 01/11/2002 12:48:18 PM PST by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
How can you still say that this article is misleading? The evidence is right in front of your nose.

You're right, the article IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR NOSES. I can say the article is misleading and an outright lie because the TEXT OF THE BILL IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR NOSE. Read post 145. What people do breaking the law is not what is at issue here. What Bush signed is. He signed an anti-abortion bill and a bunch of freepin idiots on this thread want to clobber him as being pro-abortion because of it. If you do not wish to believe that this is what the law says then that is your problem. I refuse to argue with someone who insists the sky is yellow when it is blue.
248 posted on 01/11/2002 12:49:12 PM PST by DittoJed2
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To: Aristophanes,Torie
Bush also during the campaign: "...except in the case of rape and incest ... and RU486."

Those statements are mutually exclusive.

I would disagree with you here. As my good friend Torie reminds me now and again when I get a bit too strident, the abortion issue is a continuum from your absolutist pro life position to the Clinton pro abortion position of a baby being a fetus whose mother could "choose" to kill it even after birth.

Not only is it a continuum but people shift along that continuum through out there lives. Whereas at one point in my life I weakly supported the pro choice view, I am now pro life with the understanding that even children conceived from rape and incest are not guilty of anything and therefore should not be the recipient of a death penalty for somebody elses crimes.

But I also understand that there are many views along that continuum and the way to keep the flow moving from pro choice to pro life is incrementally. I know lots of folks who would vote to ban PBA but would not vote to ban first trimester abortion. Should my position towards them be, well OK, go away you're no friend of mine? How does that do any good for the thousands of near full term babies who will be killed this year while they are almost born? All or none?

249 posted on 01/11/2002 12:49:37 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: americaprd
No, it means that you don't hand a serial killer money to go buy more bullets, and then pretend that your admonition to "not kill anymore people" will keep him from doing so.
250 posted on 01/11/2002 12:50:34 PM PST by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes,Torie
continued:

President Bush is a politician, he does what is possible. The Catholic church on the other hand is the pro life rock and can never compromise. I understand both those things and support them both as well.

251 posted on 01/11/2002 12:52:17 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
"...the abortion issue is a continuum..."

Well in point of fact, you are right of course, though it wasn't always so. Once we conservatives get onto the soggy ground of "people of goodwill may disagree" on an issue like this, we usually find ourselves being incrementally marginalized out of the debate.

Nevertheless, I hope you are right. I hope we can somehow reverse engineer the Gramscian incrementalist technique and use it to our advantage on this issue.

252 posted on 01/11/2002 12:56:53 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: jwalsh07
But I also understand that there are many views along that continuum and the way to keep the flow moving from pro choice to pro life is incrementally. I know lots of folks who would vote to ban PBA but would not vote to ban first trimester abortion. Should my position towards them be, well OK, go away you're no friend of mine? How does that do any good for the thousands of near full term babies who will be killed this year while they are almost born? All or none?

I'm not suggesting anything like that. Like you, I'll take a PBA ban (a "real" one without mother's health loopholes anyway) and am more than willing to move on to the next battle. Bush's stated positions, from his coy dodge on the Supreme Court to his flat refusal to do anything about RU486, to his support for Planned Parenthood and international family planning, reveal that he's a liar when he says he's pro-life.

He can't have it both ways -- either he's a pro-lifer or he supports abortion. Which is it going to be? (That's a purely rhetorical question of course.)

253 posted on 01/11/2002 12:57:04 PM PST by Aristophanes
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To: rdavis84,bayourod
Here is a clue for you and you don't even have to buy it. Rod's not losing anything, the aborted babies are the losers. You are fight the abortofacient battle and PBA is legal in America. In other words, you're a lsoing battle at this point in time while you could be fighting a winning battle and saving some though admittedly not all who should be saved from abortion.
254 posted on 01/11/2002 12:59:07 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: cicero's_son
Once we conservatives get onto the soggy ground of "people of goodwill may disagree" on an issue like this, we usually find ourselves being incrementally marginalized out of the debate.

Truer words were never spoken. This is the big mistake of the pro-life movement: pretending that reasonable people can disagree about murder. Until we recover the moral high ground, we will not win this issue.

255 posted on 01/11/2002 12:59:49 PM PST by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
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256 posted on 01/11/2002 1:01:33 PM PST by Pistias
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To: Aristophanes
Doesn't it amaze you that folks like bayourod and the rest of the Bushbots don't ever ask themselves, "Hey, if Bush is so conservative, why am I always having to apologize and alibi Bush against charges that he's not?"

Okay, there seems to be some confusion regarding the accuracuy of this article and whether or not Bush has been strong enough on abortion. This article is obviously inaccurate. See this article from World Magainze posted in the last hour or so for more information: Holding the line: Whatever happened to the abortion issue?

While clearly no fan of Bush on the baortion issue, the article specifically states: "In the foreign operations bill, abortion foes fought off pro-abortion efforts in both the House and Senate to eliminate the president's reinstatement of the Mexico City policy. So for another year, taxpayer dollars will not be promoting abortion services or advocacy abroad."

As to the question of why more hasn't been done, conservatives need to provide the Presidnet with a GOP led Senate (over and above the wishy-washy swing votes).

257 posted on 01/11/2002 1:02:03 PM PST by americaprd
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To: Aristophanes
Morally confused people of goodwill may disagree on just about anything.

That is one of the great diabolical achievements of the 20th century.

258 posted on 01/11/2002 1:03:18 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son
As much as we all pray and hope for one, there is not going to be a pro life revolution. Either we will do it incrementally or it won't be done. We'll be carrying our STOP PBA signs in DC on the anniversary of Roe V Wade. That seems to be the one that pisses off the pro abortionists in CT the most, at least thats the one they always rip off our cars when we're not looking. :-}
259 posted on 01/11/2002 1:03:52 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
But I also understand that there are many views along that continuum and the way to keep the flow moving from pro choice to pro life is incrementally. I know lots of folks who would vote to ban PBA but would not vote to ban first trimester abortion. Should my position towards them be, well OK, go away you're no friend of mine? How does that do any good for the thousands of near full term babies who will be killed this year while they are almost born? All or none?

This is a typical problem within political movements. The abolitionist movement had similar internal dynamics.

260 posted on 01/11/2002 1:05:44 PM PST by Huck
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