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To: one_particular_harbour
I'm a proud libertarian, Spanish-speaking, friend of diversity, but even I think there has to be some middle ground. Some good points have been made here.

Yes, a man's house is his castle, but it's not a soverign nation. You still have to comply with the law. What if one of the homeowners started building wood and tin shanties in the backyard to accomodate even more renters. Would that be acceptable? I think a reasonable solution would be zoning laws that permit one resident per X number of square feet in the house.

Yes, housing prices are going up now, because the neighborhood has not yet felt the full impact of the influx and demand is high because the neighborhood is permitting the influx for now.

Eventually, when broken cars and plastic toys pile up in yards and streets, kids and animals play in the road, and houses fall into disrepair, the property values will plummet, leaving owners owing more on a mortgage than their property is worth.

I know, I've witnessed it firsthand.

41 posted on 01/10/2002 6:04:40 AM PST by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Another thing to consider is public schools which are usually funded primarily by property taxes. People cramming 15 kids into a three bedroom house are paying the same property tax that a family with two or three kids pay. Some may consider this a minor point, but it's still another way your average citizen is getting ripped off.
44 posted on 01/10/2002 6:13:26 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: tdadams
Property values do not plummet! But the ordinary family will be priced completely out of the market. In Los Angeles, the low end market is driving the real estate market. Homes are selling for three times what they sold for just a few years ago. These are bona fide slum homes. As many families will pool as it takes to buy one of these homes and the prices keep going up and up. It's amusing to see a complaint about 14 people living in a small home when it is certainly not unusual here to have 50 or more. There will come a day when you look at only 14 as small. You however will not be able to buy a home. You will not be able to afford $300,000 for a two bedroom condo. Moreover, you probably won't want to live next door to what amounts to a petri dish. You'll want to get your kids out of that school, particularly when lice and disease starts to roll through. The reality and logistics of living in a neighborhood where 20 to 50 people live in each residence is truly disgusting. Consider 20 or more people living in a two bedroom one bath home. Consider the bathroom scheduling, and watch the streets as they fill with feces and urine. You think lack of parking is bad. These poor families and they are poor supplement their income with raising some of their own livestock. You'll have chickens and goats in what used to be flower gardens, with THEIR waste hosed into the gutters. Mexicans need to enjoy their sports too, no matter how illegal they might be. Cockfighting is wildly popular as well as dog-fights. You might enjoy it, at least until one of the dogs gets loose and eats a neighborhood child. You in the cities just now being invaded have NO IDEA what you are in for. You have no idea how bad it can get. I pity those who dismiss complaints as being racist and biased. I pity those who say "Well, this was the way it was 100 years ago". When fires would rage through overcrowded tenanments because there were no safety codes, or disease would ravage a neighborhood. The past should not be a goal of the future, we overcame hazards and instituted laws to protect us from those hazards. Out laws mean absolutely nothing to these immigrants. NOTHING. If you can possibly do so, save yourselves and your neighborhoods.
69 posted on 01/10/2002 8:32:12 AM PST by lgllady
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