Hepatitis shots urged for newborns { DON'T}

AP ^ | January 7, 2002 | AP

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CHICAGO (AP)

[Guenevere]

And one more thing.....

TRULY.....TRULY....I never want to offend or hurt anyone.............and maybe my last post hurt, I don't know.

But I don't see anyone out there defending the parent's rights to protect their children from unneccesary intrusive medical experimentation............and it really pushes my buttons!!!

You have strong beliefs.....so do I.

I made this personal...........but I'm responding to your replies to others.

I probably should quit posting today.....this has upset me so!

[Timesink]

I know a dear physician in my area, who had a healthy 15 mo.old son.....a beautiful child....and after his MMR, Hib, and varivax injections .....started regressing. He now has autism.

Correlation does not equal causation. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that during those first 15 months, that child was not kept in a sterile lab, barred from all contact with humans or any other life forms, and only fed by IV. Which means almost anything else on earth is as likely to have "caused" the autism, assuming it's caused by anything at all other than bad luck or bad genes or who knows what.

However, one thing that has been scientifically proven over and over again is the emotional need of humans to assign "blame" to someone or something whenever something bad happens to them, even the utterly unexplainable. It's horrible that this couple's child suffers from autism, but there's simply no real evidence - none, zero, zip - that vaccines of any sort have any bearing whatsoever on autism. We don't even know whether autism is "contractable" or if it's just something that happens.

By the way, all autistic kids "start regressing" sometime after 15 months of age. That's when autism becomes diagnosable.

[Guenevere]

#102.....OK, there could certainly be credence to this....I would not disagree.

Are you a physician too?

What is your opinion on Hep B vaccine given to infants?

[CholeraJoe]

is there some similar requirement for AZT treatments by mothers

There have been court cases in which mothers have lost custody of their children for refusing to take or administer AZT. I don't have any immediate citations but I have seen them posted previously on FR by the Duesberg lovers. Ya know - AIDS is caused by drug abuse and sodomy, HIV is harmless, Magic Johnson treats his HIV with herbal tea enemas...blah, blah.

[mom of 2 GOP kids]

Given the prevalancy of Hep B in hospital workers, it would seem that hospital vaccinations for newborns, for whom this disease represents a mortal threat, might be prudent. I find the level and quality of scientific information put out by the vaccination alarmists slighly below that of the environmentalists. You want to see, firsthand, the results of poor or absent child vaccination programs? Travel around the world a little bit and see the deaf, blind, and retarded young people who had measles as baies, or the cripples who had polio.

I have to agree with you. Notice in these posts that all the medically educated people are encouraging immunizations. (doctors, nurses, etc) Maybe because they know something that lay people don't?

The problem is, people won't immunize their kids, then when they come down with hep, TB, whatever, SUE THE DOCTOR!

Also, regarding "newborns contracting hepatitis", although newborns run an increased risk of contracting anything due to immature immune systems, these immunizations are to protect, not just through "newbornhood" but through childhood and beyond, with the proper boosters. By the way, I was immunized (hospital worker)as was my husband (doctor) and we are no worse for the wear. Also my youngest son was and had no adverse reactions - and we, knowing the risks and benefits had no qualms about doing so. My oldest wasn't because they immunize for Hep B "way" back then. But due to his chosen profession (medicine) I'm sure he will be when the time comes.

The fact is, there are risks in EVERYTHING. Go get in your car today and you are risking death in an accident. The question here is: Do the risks outweigh the benefits? I say no. The benefits are clear. The risk, minimal. Although the choice is up to the individual, I believe those who don't choose to immunize their children are doing them a disservice.

[RLJVet]

Notice in these posts that all the medically educated people are encouraging immunizations. (doctors, nurses, etc)
I do not believe this statement.

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Monday January 7 10:18 AM ET

Families Seek Compensation for Alleged Vaccine Harm

By Richard Woodman

LONDON (Reuters Health) - More than 1,000 British families have joined a legal battle for millions of pounds compensation for harm they claim was caused to their children by measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccines, their solicitors said on Monday.

The case--which is scheduled to come to trial in February 2003--follows controversial research findings suggesting that use of the vaccines could be linked to inflammatory bowel disease and autism.

Two firms of solicitors, Alexander Harris and Freethcartwright, have been appointed as the joint leading firms in the generic litigation against Aventis Pasteur MSD, GlaxoSmithKline and Merck.

A spokeswoman at Alexander Harris said that the firm represented about 1,000 families while the total number involved was probably around 1,500. She said likely levels of compensation varied but could be worth several million pounds for children with serious brain damage.

The firm's Web site says that the case is being brought under the Consumer Protection Act--part of the European Union (news - web sites)'s Product Liability Directive that imposes liability on manufacturers of products for any injury caused by an unsafe product. The families had been granted public funds to pay for the legal action.

The firm said that the UK Department of Health stopped using SmithKline Beecham's Pluserix and Aventis Pasteur MSD's Immaravax in 1992, two years after a similar vaccine containing the Urabe strain of mumps vaccine virus was withdrawn in Canada after reports of meningitis.

``After we had been contacted by several hundred families a clear pattern began to emerge,'' the solicitors said. ``Children who were developing well, both physically and intellectually, before the vaccine, regressed after vaccination, often accompanied by other symptoms and a gradual decline into autism.''

They added: ``It is important to stress that we appear to be dealing with cases where the children, who were fit and well before being vaccinated and were developing normally in every way, are now chronically ill and as a result many are seriously mentally or physically disabled.''

A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline said that all the manufacturers were still trying to clarify exactly what was being alleged by the families. He added that numerous studies had failed to show a link between MMR vaccination and autism, and that the legal action would be defended.

The Department of Health and the Medical Research Council have also dismissed reports by researchers at London's Royal Free Hospital suggesting that the triple vaccine may trigger autism.

[free me]

I'm not anti-vaccination or anything, just curious. The CDC web site say's the hepB vaccine has been available since 1982, 20 years ago. How come you didn't have your older son vaccinated when it became available? Why did choose to keep him at risk? Am I missing something?

[a contender]

Good observation, "good health benefits" is what Hitler said to the Jews when he told them to "come get your showers", its good health practice, preventative medicine, its for your own good, we're just looking out for your own good, etc...Didn't Hitler also say "if you tell a lie long enough, everyone will believe it. Media conditioning for 50 years about the "benefits" of vaccinations has fulfilled this quote. Don't believe the 4th estate/populous press! It will get you killed.

[Marie]

I have no problem with vaccinations if they really do what they are supposed to do. My (then) nine year old was current on all her vaccinations and still contracted measles while staying at a German hospital. When I asked an American doctor how this happened he said, "It probably wasn't really measles. There are other things that could cause similar symptoms." When I told him that the German doctors had verified measles with a blood test, he said, "I sincerely doubt it."

The bottom line is that she had three measles vaccinations and she still got measles. How many children have had this problem and been misdiagnosed or ignored? How can the medical establishment deal with an issue if they won't even admit that it exists?

I'm not a paraniod person and I do believe that doctors and scientists have the public's best interest at heart, but (due to personal experience) I now have serious reservations and trust issues with vaccines.

[sc01]

What is your opinion on Hep B vaccine given to infants?

My youngest son was forcibly given three injections of hep-b in the hospital the day after he was born.. WITHOUT CONSENT! We never saw the happy healthy baby my wife gave birth to again. my son may never develop hep-b, but he will spend the rest of his life in isolation and shame unable to communicate or control his body.

my opinion is this mandated vaccination smacks of socialism and drug company profits and NOT the health of children.

[Marie]

When a baby is taken of of formula and begins to eat regular food, it cannot diges it because of the hepitis shot.

PLEASE give me more information on this!

[Marie]

See post 111 and PLEASE explain this to me how this is possible. EVERY doctor I speak to (three of them) flatly tell me that this is not possible. I have hospital documentation (granted, it's in German) that my daughter did, in fact, have measles.

Honestly, I do believe that the vaccination helped her to only have a mild case, and I would be content with that. It's the abject denial on the part of medical personal that bothers me.

[Lee'sGhost]

"The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is a national, non-profit educational organization. . ."

Hmmm. Interesting. Couldn't find ANYTHING about the make up of this group other than who the top two people are -- and ain't neither one of them doctors, scientist, researchers, nurses, bandaide keepers or anything else like that as far as I can tell. It does not look as though they have done any independent research, studies, investigations, etc, but rather depend on secondhand, thirdhand and fourthhand reports.

Look, I'm not trying to say that this group has no credibility. I'm simply saying that if you and all the "vacines ruined my kid" folks are going to use such sites for your "proof," you really need to question them with the same skepticismyou apply to CDC et. al. My experience has been that people go shopping until they find info that supports their preconceived notions and devine upon that site unquestionable authority. I think if you DID apply such skepticism you would find serious flaws.

[bonesmccoy]

Some people keeping trying to make this argument. They claim that doctors are giving vaccines because they want profit on the vaccines.

The reality couldn't be farther from the truth.

The fact is that the US government sets pricing policy for all vaccines. I'm not talking the price the doctor PAYS for the vaccine. The drug companies have free reign to charge anything THEY want.

I'm talking about the price the doctor can CHARGE for the vaccine. The reality is that doctor's fees are currently price fixed by the Department of Health and Human Services. In particular, HHS sets those rates by making a designation for the fee in the MediCare guidelines for the year. All private insurers then set their reimbursement to the doctor at the same level.

So, when these whackos start claiming that the doctors are making a ton of money, just remember one thing.

THERE IS NO ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR ANY PEDIATRICIAN TO GIVE ANY VACCINES.

Why?

Because we make money treating SICK children, vaccines PREVENT illness. The more we immunize your child, the less illness and the less need for our jobs.

[bonesmccoy]

More trigger happy attorneys looking for a new source of their retirement fund. Wake up people.

[bonesmccoy]

I don't understand your question.

What is the point of your argument? I don't understand your logic or what you are trying to argue. Please be more specific, so I can respond in a cogent fashion. Thanks.

[bonesmccoy]

I'm sure you have good intent, but don't stop posting because of this discussion. It's more important that American women voice their fears. The failure of our country to permit open and free discussion has LEAD to the problems we see.

My biggest concern is that the physicians who spend 10+ years in training are being negated by individuals who have not one minute of formal training in the issues. If a parent chooses to go "against medical advice", it is their perogative.

However, at a certain point, who defends the child's life when the parent is acting foolish?

For this reason, physicians have the legal duty to protect the child's life ABOVE any legal or financial duty to the parent. The judicious use of this responsibility is paramount. I am sharply critical of colleagues who consistently over step their legal responsibility and instead become prosecutorial towards parents.