Posted on 01/07/2002 10:57:05 AM PST by Clinton's a liar
“Alan Keyes Is Making Sense” to Air Weeknights at 10PM, ET Beginning January 21st
SECAUCUS, NJ- January 7, 2002- Former Presidential Candidate and Reagan-era U.S. Ambassador at the United Nations, Alan Keyes has joined MSNBC as host of a new one-hour commentary show, “Alan Keyes Is Making Sense,” weeknights at 10PM, ET. Erik Sorenson, president and general manager, MSNBC, made the announcement today.
“We're excited that Alan is bringing his highly-regarded grasp of global issues and his larger-than-life personality to MSNBC," said Sorenson. "This network has distinguished itself as the cable news channel for smart young viewers interested in knowing about their world. Alan's deep knowledge, incredible capacity to frame debate, and provocative views will be a great addition to an already-terrific primetime lineup.”
“Alan Keyes Is Making Sense” is a live one-hour talk show providing in-depth analysis and commentary on the issues of the day from politics, economics to the various cultural hot buttons. The program will originate from Washington, D.C.
Keyes received his Ph.D in Government Affairs in 1979 from Harvard University. He served during the Reagan Administration in the U.S. Foreign Service and on the staff of the National Security Council before being appointed Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council in 1983. He was the Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs from 1985-87.
Alan Keyes is also a two-time Republican presidential candidate and two-time Republican Senate nominee from the state of Maryland. His greatest public exposure came most recently through his dynamic and much extolled performances in the 2000 Republican Presidential Debates.
For the past 10 years, Keyes has reached a nationwide audience each day through his nationally syndicated radio program, “The Alan Keyes Show: America’s Wake-Up Call.” He is the author of two critically acclaimed books, Masters of the Dream: The Strength and Betrayal of Black America and Our Character, Our Future: Reclaiming America’s Moral Destiny, with a third to be released soon. Keyes and his wife of 19 years, Jocelyn, reside in Maryland with their three children: Francis, Maya and Andrew.
Keyes joins MSNBC’s weeknight line-up, which also includes:
 “The Abrams Report” at 6PM, ET: The latest headlines and investigation on the American strike against terrorism.
 “Hardball with Chris Matthews” at 7PM, ET: A provocative look at the politicians and newsmakers from the business, entertainment and media arenas that have helped shape the country’s political and social landscape.
 Emmy Award-winning “The News with Brian Williams” at 8PM, ET: The only comprehensive live hour-long nightly newscast in primetime. Using the worldwide resources of NBC News, Williams provides viewers with in-depth coverage of the day’s top news stories; interviews with the world’s newsmakers; and a first-hand look at tomorrow’s headlines from around the world.
 “A Region in Conflict with Ashleigh Banfield” at 9PM, ET: Host Ashleigh Banfield takes viewers inside various regions in conflict for a close-up look at the people and their struggle for survival, the politics, and the struggle for power.
“America at War with Lester Holt” at 11PM, ET: The only live news-hour which recaps the days headlines and the most recent developments in the war on terrorism.
Now I expect you will reply that Keyes is only trying to educate and speak his beliefs. But what is finally accomplished? If anything, more exposure to him in recent months has driven a lot of people away. Maybe, just maybe, his inflated ego has interfered and blurred the actual goal. If the proper goal is ignored or neglected, all is practically lost. Unless human nature has changed and I missed it, preaching to the choir produces nothing but stagnation.
But I was kind of stunned that Gelato, who I assume is a great person and fine American and all that and more, actually FAULTS the one sort of theological aspect of my parody — and then cites a time when Keyes did almost exactly what I was parodying!
Dan
In fact, I've heard him explain to conservatives that we can't expect to have it all today; that we shouldn't demand to have all or nothing. When he urged his fellow conservatives to vote Republican across the board in the 2000 election, he did so on this principle. He said that it's better to have someone like Bob Dole, who is a wishy-washy moderate, than Bill Clinton. He urged conservatives not to help the other side by holding out for 100% of what we want. "It doesn't work that way," he said. If you missed that speech, which was broadcast on C-SPAN and advertised here on FR, I can send you the transcript.
So the idea that he is an "implacable, unpleasable purist who CANNOT form coalitions," is complete hogwash. I saw him with my own eyes issue a "Unity Call" for the Republican party.
Now, on the second point you made about Keyes' "stupid, stupid, stupid criticism of Bush's confession of faith" is another thing that is easily disproved.
For instance, the issue at hand is that Bush said Jesus Christ is his "favorite philosopher." This is not a confession of faith. Calling Jesus Christ a "philosopher" degrades Him as no more than a theorizer, and He is generally only called this by those who do not feel He is a Divine Being. But Keyes didn't even make an issue of this; all he said was that Bush must have misunderstood the question, because Jesus Christ is not a philosopher, he is God. And Keyes didn't even volunteer this opinion. He was asked it in two interviews after the debate.
I don't know if you agree with Bush's misstatement that Jesus Christ is a philosopher--which I don't think Bush even meant in the first place--but it seems to me that Christians should avoid calling him such. That's all Keyes said, and he wasn't out of line in saying so, or the least bit disrespectful. I'll post two transcripts to prove this, if you want.
It doesn't bother me that you don't like Keyes; you're entitled to your opinion. However, my concern is that cutting him down the way you did hurts the pro-life cause. That's why I was confused about your joke. All it does is give fuel to the pro-choice, anti-Keyes crowd, who seem to have made it their mission to hunt him down on this forum and squelch his voice. I don't think you've been around on recent Keyes threads, where it's been clear that many of the most adamant Keyes-bashers are pro-choice. Ironically, however, last week's Keyes article about abortion drew the anti-Declaration of Independence crowd. But this just goes to show you that many of the Keyes-bashers simply hate his message. That's sad.
With pro-lifers like yourself, I'd suggest the analogy applies that I related to Southflanknorthpawsis. Certainly you can look over what you perceive as the character flaws of someone who is on your side, and join with him to further the cause. We all need to stick together.
I don't care if Alan Keyes is arrogant (which I don't think he is, BTW); I stand with him ideologically, and I will do nothing to damage him because it only hurts our cause. I hope you are willing to overlook the things you don't like about him, and stand with all conservatives to get something good accomplished! We've got a lot of work to do.
The only comment I want to make is to once again point out that when a Keyes basher uses satire to make his point, it's considered merely being funny (which it may or may not be) by a certain segment on this forum.
However, when I used satire to make a point a few weeks ago, I was charged by those very same people with simply trying to cause division or start a flame war.
That is what is really funny here!
Keep smiling...The Conservative Voice of Declaration Principles, the Right to Life, and the Constitution will soon have a forum to reach more people in one hour than read this thread in a year! Maybe that's what has some people here in a tizzy.
;-)
:-P
Oh, of course. If you don't like Alan Keyes, your real motivation is that you wish to stifle "The Conservative Voice of Declaration Principles, the Right to Life, and the Constitution". We don't stand for those things. Only YOU guys do. (The reasons people dislike Alan Keyes go in one ear and out the other with you Keyesters, I swear!)
P.S. Do ya'll wear uniforms?
How's that?
Nobody's saying that, but the fact is, if you do agree with Alan Keyes' message, does putting him down really help the conservative cause? Why don't we unite, and forgive one another our flaws?
Why is Alan Keyes exempt from this admonition?
KFP, I believe you're missing the point. I don't care about the television show (except that I predict he will use it to try to undermine President Bush, and that he will delight his new employer by doing so). I just don't like Alan Keyes' style, for reasons I've repeated ad nauseum on this thread. In fact, I don't think anyone is "in a tizzy" over the show. They just can't stand Alan Keyes - and I can relate.
...and what do I find?---some of the usual suspects...talking to one another, as they do, about how they can't stand Alan Keyes' personality. Of course, as usual, no substance...just rabid personality-based attacks, with no discussion of the critical issues of our day....anyways...I expect that...that's their thing, and they do it well...
But your post is extremely disappointing, BibChr...rescurrecting the old 'Keyes cult' slander. Maybe you ought to pick up your Bible, brother, and reread the part about 'not bearing false witness against your neighbor'.
I know literally thousands of people who supported Keyes in 2000. Of course he had his syncophants (just as Bush has more than his share of syncophants himself).
But for you to broadbrush Alan's friends and supporters as cultists is just plain wrong, my friend and my brother.
Again, I know these folks...as a group, they are among the most independent and principled I have ever met...most are committed Christians...committed to Christ and His Word, not to some 'Keyes cult'.
What makes you think you have the right to stand in judgement of them?
By the way, a large number of the people I respect most on Free Republic are past Keyes supporters as well...are they all cultists, too?
Ok, go ahead and set the example for him. Show him that you are willing to forgive his huge, multitudinous, glaring flaws for the sake of helping him in the good cause of furthering the founding principles of America.
Then let's get to work! The bad guys are ready and waiting for us on the other side.
There has never been a movement by Dr. Keyes or the Keyesters of which I am aware that there has been an attempt to stiffle people from expressing their opinion. You have only to look at this thread to see that there has been no such attempt--even those who some consider are bad-mouthing a much respected, much needed, and wise conservative voice.
Matter of fact, I've encouraged some of them to come back. And yes, I did have an ulterior motive--actually two--the first was obviously to keep the thread bumped to the top so even more people could about this new conservative show.And secondly I was hoping to show as many people as possible how postively ridiculous some people here at FR can be, when they are reduced to only name-calling and sliming without ever contributing much to the sharing or debating of ideas.
As it regards my posts vs yours, its like this....I was and am a proud, open supporter of Dr. Keyes--I wrote his name in during the 1992 elections even. It stands to reason that a long-term/long-time supporter, or others who support Dr. Keyes and his messages, would call others' attention to this thread to 'get the word out'.
On the other hand, you, Howlin, and South n north, have made no bones about how badly you detest him, the air he breathes, the clothes he wears, the way he smiles, the way he talks, etc., so it would take a far stretch of the imagination to believe that you'd willingly douse him with water should his 'guts be on fire'. Yet, here y'all are doing all you can to bump the thread time after time after time. here's something uniqueness at play here....even South n north threw that 'compassionate Christian' stuff out the window to get back in the game!
Howlin became so excited over giving something to the winner of the CLOSET KEYESTER Award that she sent me a picture of her familys' most treasured gifts from the old country by mistake. Poor dear, I don't think she realizes she spoiled all the fun for South n north.
You definitely had a point regarding your posting in response to questions; undoubtedly, others could use that same argument, so I won't go back and re-figure who's day #2's winner is....but dear lady, you are. A total of 23 today, 28 overall....that's just wonderful. Considering that I, an ardent supporter only had a grand total of 36, I'd say you definitely earned every bit of the title of CLOSET KEYESTER. Howlin tried--pretty darn good, if I do say so--she came in with ll today and 13 overall. South n north came up with 14 today and with the 10 yesterday she hits the scale with 24 total....close, dear, but no cigar!
BTW, at some point you asked me about it being boring to count this stuff.....nah; sometimes it just downright fun to see how many times the same people continually make arses of themselves....carrying on as though they really care about the possibility that someone might be swayed by hearing a real voice of conservatism. And I just like to keep the record straight.
Oh, and just so you don't get the idea that I go along with everything the good Dr. espouses, I do have a bitch with Dr. Keyes....I can't understand why he doggedly remains in a party where the elites don't doesn't want a voice of conscience, or God forbid, mention of the Constitution. As smart and intelligent as he is, surely he realizes that all the good ol' white elitist boys and their wimmen is gonna do is pat his head and tell the boy how good he talks.
A B - I - G T - I - M - E BUMP FOR DR. KEYES!!
Otherwise, I stand by every syllable. And I must say, your missing of what is a very plain, plainly-stated, and plainly accurate observation — not about whether or not I like Keyes, but about his repeated, obvious, and public behavior, which the subset I mention refuses to acknowledge and criticize — neither strengthens your case nor weakens mine.
Dan
Dan
556 posted on 1/9/02 11:51 AM Central by BibChr
Those are YOUR words, Dan. You called ALL Keyesters cultists.
I repeat...you are bearing false witness against your brothers and sisters in Christ.
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