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To: dansangel
What do you find Jesus saying in Matthew 6:7? It's quoted from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

I'm not bashing anyone, and I truly apologize if my words seem haughty. There is no gentle way to call a cult a cult. It is nonetheless a very important message. I do love you and all my fellow sinners.

19 posted on 01/05/2002 1:47:15 PM PST by Dynamo
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To: Dynamo
Jesus himself prayed three times in the Garden of Gethsemane: Matthew 26:39, 42, 44: "And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.'...Again for the second time, he went away and prayed, 'My Father, if this cannot pass unless I drink it, thy will be done.'...So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words."

Christ gave us the Our Father, which was intended to be prayed repeatedly. God the Holy Spirit inspired other repetitious prayers intended to be prayed and sung repeatedly by believers.

Christ was not condemning repetition, per se, but by "vain repetition" he was referring to prayers offered to false gods such as Zeus and Apollo that are vain because those gods do not exist.

I resent being put in the same category as the "moonies" by your saying that Catholicism is a cult. Remember, if not for Catholicism, Christianity would not exist. Following that line of "thinking" (or lack thereof), if Catholicism is a "cult" as you charge, so are all of the Christian faiths that have evolved from it.

22 posted on 01/05/2002 2:01:44 PM PST by dansangel
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To: Dynamo
...There is no gentle way to call a cult a cult Huh? Let me get this straight...Christ founds His Church and then 1500 years later the Holy Spirit just leaves and Protestantism (with all its various denominations) comes about?

If Catholicism is a cult, then it doesn't bode well for Protestantism--that can't get it straight WHAT it believes in as things keep "evolving" and bifurcating.

Keep in mind too that Protestantism is based on the Catholic Church by name and in fact.

27 posted on 01/05/2002 2:21:50 PM PST by attagirl
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To: Dynamo
You'll have to post your definition of a cult...
181 posted on 01/05/2002 6:58:50 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: Dynamo
LOMFL!!!!!!!! "A CULT!" Oh man that's rich. 90% of Protestatnts consider Catholicism to be a legitimate Christian religion. Almost all Evangelical anti-Cult ministries would not dare group Catholicism with cults like Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Unification Church.

The fact that you do say it, puts you in the same boat as bigots like Jack Ch(pr)ick and CuttingEdge.org.
313 posted on 01/06/2002 9:16:38 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Dynamo
"Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, 'Who do people say that the Son of Man is?' And they said, 'Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.' He said to them, 'But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'

And Jesus said to him, 'Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 'I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hell will not overpower it.'" Matthew 16:13-18

483 posted on 01/07/2002 5:30:31 PM PST by katherineisgreat
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