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To: susangirl
Susan, no one is saying that the structure of our Nation wasn't influenced by Christianity. It was also influenced by Judaism, English law, Roman and Greek philosophies of citizenship and republicanism, and the development of legal systems going back to the Code of Hammurabi. Yet no one ever calls us a "Jewish Nation", a "British Nation", a "Roman Nation" or a "Hammurabic Nation".

Christianity was one of these influences but not the only one, and not all of Christianity was adopted. A Christian may not, by the most basic rules of the Faith, worship other gods, make graven images, or work on the Sabbath. The First Amendment not only allows these things, it protects the right to do them. Indeed, the laissez faire capitalist system the Framers adopted could be said to be at odds with Christianity. A purely Christian government would have social welfare systems in place, and "charity" might even be mandatory. The Framers and their immediate political heirs largely left such up to private entities, or the discretion of smaller government entitities.

Regier asks "what is a Christian Nation?", then never really answers the question from his perspective. I would submit that it is a nation where Christianity is given a place of legal primacy and the Bible is considered on a par with the founding documents. A place where indeed, the rules of the Bible may be codified into law for no other reason than their presence in the book. A place where laws contrary to the Bible may be struck down, for that reason alone.

Whether or not one wants this nation to become that (and I would suggest that more of the "Christian Nation" crusaders do than will quite admit it), that is not the nation our Founders and the Framers intended to give us. Hence, they did not mean us to be a "Christian Nation".

-Eric

92 posted on 01/06/2002 11:37:38 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
You are correct that we are not a Christian nation. I grant you that.
103 posted on 01/06/2002 12:12:51 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: E Rocc
I'm sorry for the delay. I typed a response and then lost it all.

Susan, no one is saying that the structure of our Nation wasn't influenced by Christianity. It was also influenced by Judaism, English law, Roman and Greek philosophies of citizenship and republicanism, and the development of legal systems going back to the Code of Hammurabi. Yet no one ever calls us a "Jewish Nation", a "British Nation", a "Roman Nation" or a "Hammurabic Nation".

Maybe I wasn't clear in the first half of my reply. I'm finding the debate as to what English Common Law was based on very interesting, as I am currently studying English Common Law.While I understand Jefferson's argument, there is still so much evidence that can't just be passed over.

Even today the study of law includes courses such as:

Regier asks "what is a Christian Nation?", then never really answers the question from his perspective. I would submit that it is a nation where Christianity is given a place of legal primacy and the Bible is considered on a par with the founding documents. A place where indeed, the rules of the Bible may be codified into law for no other reason than their presence in the book. A place where laws contrary to the Bible may be struck down, for that reason alone.

As for whether our country was, at one time, a Christian State, I would say, "no" for the reasons you gave.The United States of America is not a Christian country or state. The writers of the Constitution said, very wisely, that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof." In other words, there will be no state church (such as the Church of England), but the people may worship according to their wishes, anytime and anywhere. But while our STATE wasn't, and isn't, Christian in the literal sense, I would submit that we were founded as a Christian nation, in the sense of nation defined as, "The people of a nation or country or a community of persons bound by a common heritage".

These can not be discounted, either. The First Ammendment has, and is currently, being used to remove all traces of God from as many areas of our public lives as possible. We are ignoring the warnings our founders gave at our own peril.
143 posted on 01/07/2002 6:05:58 AM PST by SusanUSA
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