PAGE SIX/Lock & loaded (Keyes MSNBC Show?)

New York Post ^ | 1/04/02 | RICHARD JOHNSON with PAULA FROELICH and CHRIS WILSON

[kattracks]

THE folks at Msnbc are talking to former Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Alan Keyes about hosting a 10 p.m. show up against Fox News' new hire, Greta Van Susteren. Meanwhile, Van Susteren, a lawyer before her O.J. Simpson commentary turned her into a CNN star, reportedly has penned an eight-page memo detailing CNN's demerits. She plans to keep the document secret as long as CNN doesn't try to paint her as an ungrateful traitor.

[Rowdee]

Howlin wrote: "It most certainly DID happen; there were members of this very forum who were there and came back to FR and POSTED his very words and their impressions of them.

Now, if you care to call some of the most respected people on this forum liars, be my guest"....

And, of course, LCS, there were some who went and said it DID NOT ahppen. And there was a transcript prepared and posted.

And if Howlin wishes to call those most respected people on this forum who dispute what was ascribed to Keyes, be my guest!

[Torie]

Are not we parsing hairs here? If Keyes really, really, wanted Bush to win, wouldn't he have appeared with Bush on TV with his arm draped on his shoulder? Instead, we are engaged in this sterile debate as to precisely when Keyes subscribed to some impersonal communication suggesting that he had a preference for Bush over Keyes. If it had been done with ruffles and flouishes, we wouldn't be having this sterile discussion now would we? As it was, the rather sub rosa endorsement was probably rather meaningless, since those supporters of Keyes who decided to support Bush probably had already done so long before, given how poltically engaged and aware the rather small band of Keyes supporters actually was. Just my thoughts.

[Keyes For President]

Then, there was that thread , when Keys was on Hannity & Colmes, trashng President Bush, and thse of us, who quoted what we had heard him say , what he said, were told that Keyes had NOT said what we had heard him say

LOL! I remember that thread. That was the "well, it's not what he said it was the expression on his face" thread.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Uh-oh !!!!!!! Break out the asbestos. You're making too much sense with that use of logic.

[exodus]

To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
"...Just sos you know,
I do NOT " grovel " at any politicians feet,
and DO hold drooling sycophants in contempt.
I've PERSONALLY known far too many politicians
and assorted other " famous " people,
to be in " awe " of any of them.
# 568 by nopardons
************************

Yet you expect Keyes to abandon all his stated beliefs,
and adopt as his un-questioned leader George Bush.

Your reason?
Bush is the Party's President.

[EternalVigilance]

Where does it say in there that he has been supporting Bush since July?

Uhmm...are you required to personally announce the date that you became a supporter of the President every time you make a statement of support for him?? Don't be silly, Howlin.

Why wait until the end of October to "alert" his supporters that he had been endorsing Bush since July?

That's the kind of assumption that you should stay away from...why do you assume that this is the only communication he had with his supporters? In fact, I know that it wasn't. His whole organization was intricately linked...by email and other means...it took about 2 hours for 90% of them to get the word from Philly.

Sorry, this theory of yours won't fly, maam.

I also think you owe me an apology for calling me a liar.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

That's the dumbest response I have EVER seen.

And that is no answer -- I know that your side is down on MMagdalene, ever since she went over.

[Rowdee]

Wasn't 88 his first year running....and at the request of the GOP, at that?

[Howlin]

To: nopardons leave the personal attacks at the door. I am sorry, but the gloves came off about 500 posts ago, and it is brass knuckles all the way now!! 577 posted on 1/5/02 1:40 AM Eastern by Lucius Cornelius Sulla

THEY SURE DID>>>>>>>>>>>AND LOOK WHO THREW THE FIRST PUNCH:

To: .45MAN

First off Alan Keys is not a republican. He was the Libertarian Party candidate in 2000...

Were you born an idiot, or did you have to work at it. I assume that you know that the Libertarian candidate was Harry Browne, and that Alan Keyes has been nominated so frequently as the GOP candidate in various elections that that is one of the criticisms against him.

4 posted on 1/4/02 4:52 AM Eastern by Lucius Cornelius Sulla

[Old Fud]

GW says, "good people can disagree."

Got no fight w/ you. I'm not sure that Keyes does either, but I'm unconvinced that the negative characterization of him in this discussion has any merit.

[Howlin]

Uhmm...are you required to personally announce the date that you became a supporter of the President every time you make a statement of support for him?? Don't be silly, Howlin.

Um, no. However, when you and your supporters are claiming that you've been supporting Bush for MONTHS before it's in the paper -- and the ONLY article that can be produced was posted by a fellow Freeper from an email HE got that disputes this claim -- I'd say it was on you all to provide the proof that Keyes notified his supporters back in July that he was now out of the race and backing Bush.

[A Citizen Reporter]

"I hope Keyes will make us proud to support him again."

I would be happy to see that as well. The first step, might be to get over the denial, and to stop telling people they haven't heard what they heard. Anyway, that will be the first indication to me. However, I see it continues tonight.......

[Sunsong]

[[[When you get into a barroom brawl, which is where we are now, be prepared for someone to smash a bottle on the bar, and go for your throat with the broken glass, metaphorically.]]]

Just to let you know, I hit the abuse botton on this. This is just too much. You may need professional help. I mean that. I'm not trying to be mean to you, I think you may have a serious problem.

[seattlesue]

There are no hairs being parsed by me. Keyes had stated his support of Bush long before the 10/19/00 email was sent. If people have a problem with Keyes because he did not send an email earlier, then they should say Keyes did not support Bush in the manner they wished prior 10/19/00.

[Torie]

Keyes had stated his support of Bush long before the 10/19/00 email was sent.

Oh good. We are making progress. And when was that, and what did he say, and via what medium did he say it?

[Howlin]

Well, look above you. You're saying he did it before, yet the only email he sent out was dated October 19th. I think it's pretty important to find the one where he said he was no longer campaigning and that all of his supporters should support Bush, like the rest of the candidates did.

But so far the only evidence of that has been posted on October 20th.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

'And, of course, LCS, there were some who went and said it DID NOT ahppen. -- And there was a transcript prepared and posted.'And if Howlin wishes to call those most respected people on this forum who dispute what was ascribed to Keyes, be my guest!

Boy, you' think that nobody here had ever seen or heard of Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon. The an example of the reason why hearsay evidence is inadmissable.

[nopardons]

The flame war WAS started and kept going by the Keysters. I don't need to lie and I have a good memory. . Go read those threads. : - )

[Torie]

Pretty awful sic wasn't it?