PAGE SIX/Lock & loaded (Keyes MSNBC Show?)

New York Post ^ | 1/04/02 | RICHARD JOHNSON with PAULA FROELICH and CHRIS WILSON

[kattracks]

THE folks at Msnbc are talking to former Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Alan Keyes about hosting a 10 p.m. show up against Fox News' new hire, Greta Van Susteren. Meanwhile, Van Susteren, a lawyer before her O.J. Simpson commentary turned her into a CNN star, reportedly has penned an eight-page memo detailing CNN's demerits. She plans to keep the document secret as long as CNN doesn't try to paint her as an ungrateful traitor.

[Howlin]

Well, thank goodness we're not all depending on our interpretation of the Constitution from you.

Millions of other people disagree with you.

[Miss Marple]

Violation of the Constitution is not necessarily evil, unless you venerate the Constitution as a document of more importance than the Holy Bible.

At one point in our history, slavery was constitutional. Helping slaves excape was a violation of the Constitution. Were those pepople evil?

At one point in our history, drinking liquor was unconstitutional. Were those who drank bootleg spirits evil?

At one point in our history, women did not have a constitutional right to vote. Were those who disagreed with this and demonstrated against it evil?

You see where your ridiculous statement takes you, don't you?

[Howlin]

I think you missed your shock therapy session today, right?

[carenot]

Bush was evil when he said that it was OK to use the fetal stem cells that were already harvested but couldn't kill more.

To me that is like selling the parts of aborted babies. They are already dead, we may as well get some use out of them.

They are doing that, Howlin.

[exodus]

To: exodus; rdf; Howlin
I think that Dr. Keyes is so convinced of his own intelligence and speaking ability
that he is convinced that those who are not as gifted are less worthy.
I think it grates him that he, the erudite and golden-tongued speaker,
was rejected by the Republican party..."

In fact, I think he is solely motivated now by that hurt,
and he is driven to show us all that we missed our chance.
In a way, it is quite tragic.
He is indeed the best extemporaneous speaker I have ever heard.
He could have used this gift for so much good.
But he has thrown it away with cheap shots to prove petty points.
# 136 by Miss Marple
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Please, Miss Marple,
I would like you to point out some of those "petty" points.
I've seen nothing but consistency in the points Keyes has made.

If I were Keyes,
I would be hurt by the Republican's rejection of his ideas.
I'm a voter who shares his ideas,
and I'm hurt by what I see as a betrayal of my trust.

I don't consider Keyes infallible.
There are many points I disagree with.
It's just that he comes closer
to my way of thinking
than many others do.

[Miss Marple]

I always think it odd when people live in fictional worlds.

[Howlin]

but we are also not as moral or as patriotic

One night, one of Keyes' people actually TOLD us that; that because we didn't agree with their interpretation of things, WE were NOT moral conservatives, hence we were immoral.

That was after she said that Alan Keyes personally assured Bush's win. :-)

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I always think it odd when people live in fictional worlds.

LOL........Odd but sometimes entertaining if you're in a humorous state of mind.

[Howlin]

And that, of course, is YOUR opinion, which you're entitled to. Lots of other people disagree with you.

Now, would you care to explain to us all why YOU think that people that don't agree with you are evil?

[Howlin]

If I were Keyes, I would be hurt by the Republican's rejection of his ideas.

Why would you be hurt? Can't you take it when people don't agree with you?

Why not take a hint and FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK?

[A Citizen Reporter]

Wait a sec, he did or she did? ;-)

[Timesink]

MSNBC's only hope is to go after the conservative demographic like Fox has. They are hopelessly, deeply mired in third place, and they have no bench strength whatsoever. (This is because they've been chasing the "youth" demographic for as long as they've been around, which means they hire young people instead of experienced people, and nobody watches as a result. The strategy has worked somewhat, though; the average age of their viewer is only in the LOW 50s instead of the HIGH 50s that CNN and Fox get. *snicker* Too bad they only get about 1/3 the viewership of Fox or CNN in the first place.)

[Howlin]

She.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I think you missed your shock therapy session today, right?

No, Shelob, my only shock was watching you consume human flesh! Not very good table manners, I would say!

[exodus]

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Violation of the Constitution is evil.
Bush violated the Constitution.
Bush is evil.
# 138 by exodus
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To: exodus
Violation of the Constitution is not necessarily evil,
unless you venerate the Constitution
as a document of more importance than the Holy Bible..."

"...You see where your ridiculous statement takes you, don't you?"
# 142 by Miss Marple
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Yes, I do, Miss Marple.

I don't believe that Bush is evil.
I was responding to Howlin's
dishonest attack on carenot at post # 133.

I do believe that Bush is violating the Constitution.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I always think it odd when people live in fictional worlds.

And this from a house guest of the protagonist of Paradise Lost. Getting a little warm for you down there?

[Howlin]

Oh, Mr. Keyes must be so proud to have you as his defender.

[Sunsong]

[[[One night, one of Keyes' people actually TOLD us that; that because we didn't agree with their interpretation of things, WE were NOT moral conservatives, hence we were immoral.

That was after she said that Alan Keyes personally assured Bush's win. :-)]]]

Yes, that is their message. It's all over these threads. If you don't agree with them, you are lessor than them -- specifically, you are not as moral, as intelligent and now, as patriotic as them.

Yet, except for rare cases like you experienced, they will not admit or discuss this core belief that they are better then *because* of what they believe.

It is interesting because that is the same argument that Jesse Jackson uses :) He is better than *because* of what he believes -- not because of the way he lives his life. It's actually a liberal technique to use your particular beliefs as a club to beat up others with...

[Howlin]

Ah, how was my attack dishonest?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Oh, Mr. Keyes must be so proud to have you as his defender.

I do not know about that, but I am sure than Sauron is proud of his newest Ring-Wraith.