Posted on 01/03/2002 3:27:12 PM PST by VaBthang4
Please direct me to any concordance or commentary that states that Revelation was written before much of the NT, thanks.
WRONG!! I read the Bible through annually. And God does not cause disease or broken bones to teach us something. Would a loving father cut his boy's finger with a knife to say, "be careful." for if you're not careful this could happen to you? I don't think so. This is where much of mainstream "religion" loses people. God does not cause pain, sickness, disease, or striff to teach us anything. He wants the best for us always. Satan is the God of this world and he causes sickness, death, and strife. The world's reality is to not get well. When Jesus died on the cross He not only died for our sins but also for our health (by His stripes we are healed - Isaiah 53:5). And if reality says "don't believe" then we say it's God's will?
I have a friend who is a Foursquare pastor in Oxnard, Ca. He had kidney stones a few years ago, and he was healed in an Anaheim Hinn Crusade. One of my aunts in Nebraska attends a church where Hinn was a guest speaker, and some little girl was healed there. On the other hand, I’ve seen him in person, and I was not impressed. He told the ushers not to bring people who were sick on the platform, but he would pray for them after the service. Well, after the service was over, he ran off stage and had a security guard in front of the room he was in so he wouldn’t be disturbed. He has made false prophecies, although I don’t think that he trying to be a fraud. I think that he is so caught up in the super health & wealth doctrine, that he thinks that it’s fine to make millions a year.
Late dating Revelation, when it clearly addressed the ongoing persecution that historical records indicate ended in ad 68, to 100-105 as some do to make the "warning" applicable to any other writings reeks of smoke and mirrors efforts to canonize what MEN wanted to include or exclude as scripture.
King James interpreters did that. In the interim of 400 plus years of research, many if not most fundamentalist biblical scholars admit that Revelation may NOT have been the last book written in the New Testament... and you could have looked that up yourself. Believe what you want... I don't give a rat's patoot about it. Hinn is the topic here.
Hinn is a deceiver. He is not an accurate prophet. Revelation's warning notwithstanding... it changes nothing. If a prophet says he heard from God and it does not follow on in fact... that person has NOT heard from God... no matter HOW big his comb over is.... somebody hep me....
Don't bother to respond because I am finished posting on this thread. Many tried to help you to see the truth here, I hope that you can.
The apostle Luke was a doctor and Jesus was there with Him. You sound much more at ease this time, you must have spent all your frustration on your first post. I know there are many charlatans out there and am sorry for the people that were duped. But all the fundamentalist christian leadership I hear seem to support Benny Hinn. I was born a Lutheran and married and became Catholic. When I became a born again I searched out a non-denomination church that taught from the Bible and wasn't hung up on theological doctrine developed by man. Many of the fundamentalist concepts are foreign to traditional religious teaching. Like we're spirit beings, God wants us well, the Holy Spirit has gifts that allow us to lead better lives and ward off ills, etc. Most of what's on TBN comes from a fundamentalist viewpoint and doesn't mesh with traditional religious teachings as we see here. I know that we all have our own opinions and viewpoints. Thanks for yours.
Of course satan wants us to suffer - emotionally, physically, in any way possible. And while God may not CAUSE us to be sick or maimed or die, He often ALLOWS it, as He did with Job. He used His faithful servant Job to prove to satan that a mere and fallable human being would remain His faithful servant without all his money, property, family and health.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Take a look at the life of Joni Eareckson Tada - God used her paralysis to forge a great ministry. Without her disability, she wouldn't be where she is today, and long ago stopped praying for healing because she realized that God's purpose was bigger than her desire to walk again. He used her shortcomings to do great things.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Yes, by His stripes we are healed - our sin is gone and our hearts are made whole and clean. We are promised perfect heavenly bodies, but never on this earth are we guaranteed health and prosperity. How can we have the promise of health when we know we are to suffer for His name's sake? Physical persecution isn't physically healthy. :) In this life we are only promised peace and spiritual security.
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
I will checkout that website you mentioned another time, when its not so late, and I'm more awake.
As to whither Hanegraaff is also a false teacher. (And by false teacher, we mean someone who is wrong on major doctrine, not minor doctrine or has bad motives.) I would argue that Hank is OK. He is annoying at times, and sometimes gives bad answers to callers on The Bible Answer Man. If it helps consider some of the guests he has had on his show: RC Sproul, Norm Geisler, James White, John MacArthur, etc. These men are regarded as sound Biblical teachers. I don't think they would be on his show if he was leading people astray.
You mentioned a guy named Scott Hofstee, who said that selling ministries implied a false teacher? That's a little off the wall (if I'm understanding you right.) It simply does not fit the definition of a false teacher. He (Hofstee) needs to provide a Biblical arguement to support that statement. (Having a prophecy come true is not proof, see Deut 13:1-3). And didn't Paul talk about people preaching the gospel for selfish reasons. I believe that Paul said he was glad that the gospel was getting preach.
But anyway, like you said, the thread is about Hinn, and you don't give a rat's patoot what I believe. Cool...because I don't care if you care either. :) Have a great evening.
Is it just me, or is Jan Crouch (the woman on Hinn's show) the scariest mammal alive?!!! YIKES!
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