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Q tips: Mustard vs the rest (BBQ)
The State ^ | September 2, 2001 | CAROL J.G. WARD

Posted on 01/03/2002 5:04:58 AM PST by aomagrat

You heard it here first: Mustard-based sauce is best for barbecue. No, ketchup-based — no, vinegar-and-pepper . . . In S.C., the debate never ends. But here are some places to eat while you argue.

If you enjoy fireworks, just say the word “barbecue” in a crowd of Southerners and sit back and enjoy the show.

Barbecue rouses unshakable convictions about what’s the best, and most folks are more than happy to voice an opinion.

Yet, despite all the passion it arouses, the debate really isn’t even about barbecue, said Chuck Kovacik, a professor in USC’s Department of Geography and author of the “Barbecue Map of South Carolina.”

“This will never be about barbecue. The passion is about place. Wherever I’m from, it’s obviously the best. ... You’re not arguing about the quality of the barbecue. You’re arguing about the quality of the place,” he said.

The owners of local barbecue restaurants agree barbecue is about much more than food.

It’s also about family ties, said Fred Mathias, co-owner of Four Oaks Farm in Lexington. “We were all kind of raised on it. When families get together, it’s just a tradition,” Mathias said.

For Carolyn Myers, co-owner of Myers Barbeque House in Blythewood, barbecue represents a way of life. “(It’s popularity) has to do with the country-time atmosphere we’re in,” she said. “Lots of South Carolinians, in particular, are country at heart.”

The styles of barbecue are numerous. What someone likes often depends on where he grew up. Here in what’s known as the Barbecue Belt — North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky and Arkansas — the meat of choice is pork.

But travel the Carolinas and you’ll find a range of sauces. Toward the eastern shore of North Carolina, they finish their Q with vinegar sauce, while their neighbors on the western border favor a thick, sweet-sour, ketchup-based sauce.

In South Carolina, there are at least four barbecue regions, Kovacik said.

“The (barbecue) debate is even greater here than what we’ve been led to believe by our neighbors to the north,” he said.

“You hear so much about North Carolina barbecue. æ.æ.æ. They like to say that North Carolina is a valley of humility between two mountains of conceit. When it comes to barbecue, North Carolina is an incredible mountain of conceit.”

In South Carolina, vinegar-and-pepper sauces are popular in the northeastern corner of the state. In the Upstate along the border with North Carolina, tomato-based sauce combining sweet and sour flavors is the standard, while along the western border with Georgia, ketchup-like sauces reign.

Here in the middle part of the state running to the southern coast, mustard-based sauces rule, an observation borne out by the notes and e-mails we received when we asked for readers’ favorite barbecue restaurants.

“Mustard base is the way to go. ... (It) takes my vote for the best that there is,” wrote Marti Olivarri of Columbia in a note that summed up many of the recommendations we received.

But it takes more than good sauce to make a restaurant special. Many readers mentioned a family atmosphere, friendly service and touches such as checkered tablecloths.

“The country setting and friendly atmosphere, plus the great barbecue, combine for a winning combination,” Stacey Charles of Saluda said of Wise Bar-B-Q House in Newberry.

Please note the above statements are simply examples — and are not meant to be interpreted as any type of barbecue resolution. This debate will never be settled, so perhaps it’s best to heed one reader’s philosophical approach.

“Sauce is everything ... (but) different sauces for different sections,” said James Alford of Dillon, who prefers the “red gravy” at Country Cousins in Scranton.

Besides, if you don’t like the sauce where you live, drive a few miles, and it will change.


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To: aomagrat
Two Brothers bbq restuarant in Tate, Ga.
181 posted on 01/03/2002 2:48:24 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: Rebelbase
BBQ is smoked pork shoulder with a runny vinager BBQ sauce

Some of that vinegar pepper sauce is hard to beat. I make a damn good vinegar sauce and use it as a pork mop.

182 posted on 01/03/2002 3:02:59 PM PST by VinnyTex
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To: Peter W. Kessler
visited my uncle in Lakeland, FL many years later when we went to "Jimbos."

I've eaten there. Not bad, but I've had much better. The old run-down BBQ place by the giant pecan tree in Auburndale is one of the better ones IMHO, but I can never remember the name. It's off the main drag so it's patronized mostly by the local folks. Greasy and messy, but gooood.

I don't know why they didn't include FL in the BBQ belt, central and north FL has some very good BBQ joints. But I definately don't include the ubiquitous Sonny's chain in that group. The snowbirds seem to like it though.

183 posted on 01/03/2002 3:31:15 PM PST by epow
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To: Arkinsaw
Memphis BBQ is tops IMO...tomato based there.

The best thing they fix in Memphis is those dry-rub ribs. Remind me a lot of the ones my dad used to fix. He rubbed 'em with black pepper, salt, ground sage, and a little ground red pepper. Cooked 'em slow on chicken-wire stretched over a pit of oak coals out behind the cow barn. No sauce needed. None better in any restaurant anywhere.

184 posted on 01/03/2002 3:40:07 PM PST by epow
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To: laotzu
There are only three places in the universe where true BBQ is available: Chicago, Kansas City, Texas.

Never ate bbq in Chicago, but I have eaten at several places in KC and was NOT impressed. KC Masterpiece was too dried out and they actually had liquid smoke it their sauce, yeeech. The bbq place owned by the old black guy on the south side, can't think of the name, was much better, but not what I expected. I went to the KCM in St. Louis thinking maybe it would be better than the one in KC, but it was the same story.

But now TX is another matter. Some of the best PORK bbq I ever had was in a little joint on US 290 somewhere between Houston and Brenham. No sauce, just pork shoulder done juuuust right on oak coals. I ate there about 40 years ago and have never been able to get back there since. It's probably gone by now, all I remember about it is the bbq and the jackalope heads on the wall. Brisket done TX style is mighty fine eatin, but I don't consider it bbq.

185 posted on 01/03/2002 3:57:51 PM PST by epow
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To: UScbass
QUESTION: how can you get [as close as possible] slow-cooked equivalence in an oven.

Get one of these rangetop/oven smokers:
Cameron's Range-top cooker . I got one for Christmas/

And get the book 'Taste' by David Rosengarten, then try his Memphis Dry-Rub ribs recipe, based on making Rendevous Ribs at home.

186 posted on 01/03/2002 4:01:27 PM PST by RobFromGa
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To: Aquamarine
Two Brothers bbq restuarant in Tate, Ga.

I suppose your talking about the one at Ball Ground? If so, it's one of the good ones alright. I just wish it wasn't always so crowded.

187 posted on 01/03/2002 4:01:44 PM PST by epow
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To: sweetliberty
ROTFL! You're a yankee ain't ya?

Yep, born and raised a Connecticut Yankee although my stomach and taste buds hail from the South. I lived in Georgia for a couple of years where I discovered what was missing in my life - slow-cooked pig meat. Evidently, good 'cue was programmed into my genetic code - my forebears settled in eastern Tennessee in 1780 and my GGGrandfather was in the 61st TN Infantry. While I'm certain that mine can't hold a candle to any of y'all's, I did learn to make tolerable barbecue while in the South and my friends and family up here will do tricks to get me to cook it for them. Vinegar and pepper rules!

Just sign me,
Yankee Swine

188 posted on 01/03/2002 4:05:09 PM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: rdb3
If you must have sauce on it, the barbecue isn't any good.

There you go, a man who knows what old-timey bbq is all about.

189 posted on 01/03/2002 4:05:24 PM PST by epow
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To: VinnyTex
but till you've had the burnt ends of a brisket you don't know what you're missin.

I tried some of that stuff at one of the places I ate in KC on the recommedation of my son who lived there. Not bad eatin, but there aint no way that's bbq.

190 posted on 01/03/2002 4:30:18 PM PST by epow
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To: Rebelbase
Help please.

I used to know how to add a bookmark to my profile page.

I cannot figger it out now.

How?

192 posted on 01/03/2002 4:57:09 PM PST by don-o
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To: Ol' Sox
Well, at least you learned. Most Yankees don't appear to be very teachable. Look at the large number of liberal Yankees in proportion to the rest of the population. I rest my case. LOL!

You Might be a Yankee if…


193 posted on 01/03/2002 4:58:18 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Atlantin
Have had BBQ all over the world.
The best do not rely on sauce.

Exactly. Don't get me wrong, though. I've had some wonderful sauces (although none with any mustard). But they added to the overall flavor of the meat, but did not make the meat.

Real barbecue is good sans sauce. Real, if you can find find someone who can make it (wink, wink).

194 posted on 01/03/2002 4:59:39 PM PST by rdb3
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To: epow
but there aint no way that's bbq.

You don't know much about BBQ.

195 posted on 01/03/2002 5:00:11 PM PST by VinnyTex
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To: Atlantin
Have had BBQ all over the world. The best do not rely on sauce.

I agree that if the bbq is done right it's good without sauce. I don't mean to offend you, but that stuff you're talking about sure doesn't sound like what I'm talking about. Sounds like something you might see on a cooking show my wife would watch on PBS on a Saturday afternoon.

I've been eating bbq all over the southern half of the US, and a few places farther north, for the last 45+ years. If it's good meat (pork, not too lean) cooked right (slow over low heat) it's good plain, but even better with the right sauce. (slightly tart, kinda brownish, lots of black pepper). I'm not real particular about the sauce, I try a little before I pour it on. If I like it I use it sparingly, if I don't care for it I use just enough to slightly moisten the meat. If it has liquid smoke I set it aside and eat the meat whether it's good or just so-so

Good bbq is cooked on a pit over oak and/or hickory, and some of the best I've found is cooked on a pit in run-down little joints on the "wrong" (read black) side of southern towns. Lots of them aren't even restaurants, you just buy it at the counter and take it outside to eat. That's not to say there aren't big-time restaurants that do good bbq, there are, but if I'm in a town where I don't know a good bbq place I know what part of town I can usually find one that will be at least OK.

196 posted on 01/03/2002 5:41:52 PM PST by epow
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To: VinnyTex
Read # 196. I bet I've left more good bbq on the floor under my chair than you've ever eaten.

BTW, I LIKE brisket slow-cooked over live oak coals where the edges turn red and the inside is gray, mmmm good.

BUT IT STILL AINT BBQ, BBQ IS PORK.

197 posted on 01/03/2002 5:50:49 PM PST by epow
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To: epow
You still don't know what BBQ. I compete in BBQ championships all over the country. You're clueless. Sorry
198 posted on 01/03/2002 5:57:43 PM PST by VinnyTex
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To: epow
You're right, Two Brothers is in Ball Ground, Ga. right next to Tate. Just a hole in the wall with sawdust on the floor. I love their bar-b-q sauce. I always buy a container of it when I go there. They also have good brunswick stew and french fries!
199 posted on 01/03/2002 6:02:01 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: VinnyTex
You still don't know what BBQ. I compete in BBQ championships all over the country. You're clueless. Sorry

You don't need to be sorry, if you like what you fix that's fine with me. I bet I would like it too, like I said, I like TX style brisket.

Anyway, I've been to a few "championship" bbq cook-offs in my time, and I can get bbq at any number of places I know of that puts anything fixed by those "champions" to shame. Sorry.

200 posted on 01/03/2002 6:20:34 PM PST by epow
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