The Israel Problem: Why We Should End The Welfare

self | 12/30/01 | Rick Fisk

[Buckeroo]

What is your reasoning to claim that Muslims are the principles for the current state of terrorism? Do you need more clicks?

[Sueann]

You are kidding aren't you??

You don't think America is blessed??

We have the right to worship GOD; we have the right to vote (even if we occasionally vote for a jerk); we have the most modern plumbing of any other nation; we have the highest standard of living anywhere in the world; we have the best universities; we have the most modern and well trained military; we have freedoms other nations envy - to the point of killing us; we have endless supplies of every kind of food you could imagine.

But ... we're not blessed??

[Huck]

Any aid that doesn't have the 100% support of the American people is by definition coersion and thus immoral.

A follow up question re: the above quote:

Is any expenditure by the gubmint "that doesn't have the 100% support of the American people by definition coersion and thus immoral" in your understanding, or just aid?

[Ridin' Shotgun]

You told me to read articles in AFP. And you offered to look up Justin Rainmondo's photo in your back issues of Spotlight.

You are something out of a george orwell novel. I have no back issues of the spotlight.

[Catspaw]

Oh, Demi, once again retreating, dodging, weaving. When someone makes a statement like yours ("Because the publishers of spotlight write something does not necessarily mean it isn't true"), it's your responsibilty to provide this forum with a truthful article from Spotlight, not me--unless, of course, you have a reason why you won't post a truthful article from Spotlight--of course, you'll have a tough time finding one, now won't you?

[Sueann]

Are you actually going to try to make me believe that Israel is hindered by taking money from us. I don't care what the agreement says - you don't stop Israel from doing what they believe is in the best interest of Israel. And ... I believe that very attitude is of some contention - but Israel still prevails no matter what. I don't see how any agreement with the U.S. or our giving them money will hinder or stop them from protecting Israel at any cost.

[Demidog]

it's your responsibilty to provide this forum with a truthful article from Spotlight

No it isn't. As I said the statement was self evident. It does not necessarily follow that simply because an article appears in the spotlight that the article is untrue.

I don't have to "prove" anything because the statement requires no proof.

[cardinal4]

What is your reasoning to claim that Muslims are the principles for the current state of terrorism?

Some people,myself included,find it hard to be dissuaded from that notion.

[Demidog]

I haven't turned into a moderator at all. There are moderators here for that. Pray tell, what did I do that in any way is not libertarian by flagging a moderator?

Be specific.

[Buckeroo]

Please explain. I find Muslims to be some of the most peaceful folks walking this planet.

[Demidog]

Are you actually going to try to make me believe that Israel is hindered by taking money from us.

Absolutely, just like those who take welfare are hindered by the regulations they become jusrisdictioned to when they accept federal and state money.

There are strings attached and it is one of the chief complaints of the so-called "Amen Corner" that the U.S. meddles too much in Israel's responses to terrorist acts.

The fact is, the U.S. shouldn't be attempting to make Israel refrain from any action that Israel sees fit to defend itself. The treaties that bind Israel and guarantee aid, do make Israel beholden to the U.S.

It would be to everyone's advantage if all support for Israel was voluntary.

You do realize that there are even rules regarding Israel's use of weapons we provide them do you not?

[cardinal4]

Sorry,I misread the question.In my opnion one of the most glaring connections between Islam and terrorism is the fact that most of these peoples last words are "Allah Akbar!"Ill bet all the CVRs from the airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 will bear me out.

[cardinal4]

Please explain. I find Muslims to be some of the most peaceful folks walking this planet.

Yes Im sure Mohamed Atta was a peaceful and charming guy right up until he slit the PIC's throat.

[Demidog]

What do you think the founders meant when they said that "Governments are institued among men, deriving their just powers by the consent of the governed"?

[Buckeroo]

The problems are simple to understand. Since the removal of Palestinnans from their lands as a function of the created state of Isreal some 50+ years ago there is quite a bit of tension that is occurring throughout the Middle East.

The issue is not Muslims not is it Christianity or Judaism. The issue is about formal displacement of the Palestinnians; something that the UN is responsible for.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

We have the right to worship GOD; we have the right to vote (even if we occasionally vote for a jerk); we have the most modern plumbing of any other nation; we have the highest standard of living anywhere in the world; we have the best universities; we have the most modern and well trained military; we have freedoms other nations envy - to the point of killing us; we have endless supplies of every kind of food you could imagine.

And in what way is our support for Israel responsible for any of the above listed blessings?

[Huck]

What do you think the founders meant when they said that "Governments are institued among men, deriving their just powers by the consent of the governed"?

I think they meant that strange women laying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. But you didn't answer my question. Could you? Here it is again:

Is any expenditure by the gubmint "that doesn't have the 100% support of the American people by definition coersion and thus immoral" in your understanding, or just aid?

[Ridin' Shotgun]

.... the fact that most of these peoples last words are "Allah Akbar!"

You've actually heard this on the black box recorders? Are you with FAA or FBI? Didn't think any one else was allowed to hear what's on them.

[cardinal4]

The issue is not Muslims not is it Christianity or Judaism. The issue is about formal displacement of the Palestinnians; something that the UN is responsible for.

Maybe so,but once you attempt to further political or religious agenda using violence,it becomes a moot agenda IMHO.Plus,Buckeroo,you know as well as I do that its not about a Palestinian state,its about them not wanting the Jews to have one of there own.Its time the world backed off of Israel and let them get rid of the animals that continue to attack them in the name of Allah.I mean,how can you negotiate with animals like these?

Its an ingrained,irrational mindset being taught to these kids that are making them glorify the vilolence.Unfortunatley,violence is the only thing these barbarians understand,unleash the IDF and let them rid the territories of these animals,and then talk about a homeland.