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To: Jhoffa_
Hence, your cow and you committed statutory battery with those kids on the playground.

don, I hate to say it.. But you are a liar and that is a lie..

Oh, really? And your demonstration of this would be what? Would you like to to explain to you what a political theory is, and why this kind of abrasive response is inappropriate? I can be wrong about a political theory--but I cannot be either a liar or a truthteller.

"No force, no Fraud" rememeber?

And what do you think statutory rape/fraud/battery means? Force and fraud are the center of my argument, which you would know had you read it with your headlights on. You and your cow forced yourselves on those kids, who had no choice but to be on that playground. However, even they were putatively consenting it doesn't change a thing. Kids can't arbitrarily consent to the same degree adult citizens can, so behavior that might not be coercive or fraudulant between consenting adults might be for kids. Where that point is set is up to the law fairly untrammeled by libertarian theory, just like at what age we give driver's licenses to people is up to the law, fairly untrammeled by libertarian theory.

Now, suppose you prove this lie to me.. WHILE, I go dig up Harry Brown Quotes..

Oh, piffle, like I'd consult a politician on the subject of libertarian theory. When you can show me a quote from Van Mieses or Hayak or any seriously regarded political philosopher that contradicts me, than I might feel obligated to respond.

THEN, if you can prove this you can take me aside and tell me how we can have laws against some types of immoral behavior, but definately not others in your little Utopian dream world..

Pretty easily. Unlike you, I don't presume that because I don't like something, I therefore have a right to claim it's objectively immoral, and prohibitable. When I try to determine whether a law is legitimate, I ask first if it's Consitutional, not if its immoral, Rescuing slaves and witchs was once declared immoral, and therefore illegal. Immoral is not a reliable touchstone, it's how Catholics and Protestents found an excuse to hang each other once they got hold of the reigns of government. That's a big reason why our founding fathers bequithed us a consitutionally limited Republic, instead of a democracy or a monarchy, precisely so that your notion of immoral could not be nailed into my forehead whenever you got hold of the lawmaker's perogatives.

Cha-cha..

rooty-toot-toot.

1,108 posted on 01/01/2002 6:37:16 PM PST by donh
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To: donh
When you can show me a quote from Van Mieses or Hayak

Did you mean Van Mises or Hayek?

1,118 posted on 01/01/2002 6:47:43 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: donh

Well, I will and it's not..

You see, DON when you begin with "no force, no fraud" you conviently forget about "Property right's"

Your school theory is all smoke, no consistant Libertarian can make your claim.. Because, how will you enforce it?

What arm of Government will you bring down on me and bossie? Eh?

Are you telling me what I can and cannot do on my own land Don? With my own property?

You are full of it and I dare you to justify this expansion of Government in a "pure" Libertarian society..

You are a liar Don.. <P. You are making things up as you go along.. Even the most staunch defender of the Libertarian ideology would agree.

1,148 posted on 01/01/2002 7:14:17 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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