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To: keithtoo
Read up on quantum physics? It appears that God does in fact play dice with the universe. Makes sense to me, if I were an omnipotent deity, I'd be bored with a universe in which I knew everything that would happen; I'd want some randomness tossed in.
6 posted on 12/29/2001 5:15:33 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: ThinkDifferent
I'd want some randomness tossed in.

Is there really such a thing as randomness? Or is randomness in the eye of the measurer?

8 posted on 12/29/2001 5:20:09 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: ThinkDifferent
Such "dice" would have to be very smart indeed. Evolutionists dance and dance and dance around this point. In fact they are sometimes so brazen as to claim that the random-chance depiction of evolution is a strawman argument... then they pointedly ignore the implication of what they just said. Ah that's theism, and we don't care about that. We're SCIENTISTS.
11 posted on 12/29/2001 5:25:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: ThinkDifferent
Read up on quantum physics? It appears that God does in fact play dice with the universe. Makes sense to me, if I were an omnipotent deity, I'd be bored with a universe in which I knew everything that would happen; I'd want some randomness tossed in.

One of the weaknesses of the theory of evolution is that it has no coherent explanation of what "chance" is. Indeed, "chance" is difficult to rigorously define. If it is not defined, how is anyone to know whether it exists? Has it ever been empirically observed?

One place where we can observe what most people would agree is chance is . . . at the casino. And there we see that to generate "chance" or "randomness" requires a careful construction of various apparatuses, the common purpose of which is to insulate the outcome from the will of an individual. Whether it is a roulette wheel, a pair of dice, or a deck of cards, the essential function of a game of chance is to prevent the operator from influencing the outcome.

Now then, if "chance" is indeed a construct to insulate phenomena from will, and if we were ever to observe "chance" occurring in nature, we might have to conclude that God exists. The evidence, i.e., the existence of "chance," would imply that there is a will from which the phenomena of nature are being insulated.

There is not space here, nor do I have the time now to go into this more deeply. But if you will try as an exercise to rigorously define "chance" in such a way as to take that definition and use it as a guide to empirical observation, as any good scientist should do, you may find that the above reasoning is not easily dismissed.

In my view it ironic that the postulate of "chance" in the theory of evolution is an implicit acknowledgement of God's existence. But others have made the above point in other language.

73 posted on 12/29/2001 7:44:08 PM PST by T Ruth
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To: ThinkDifferent
God is sovereign in the affairs of men, as Ben Franklin even admitted. quite the scientist ol' Ben.
326 posted on 01/02/2002 12:32:45 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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