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To: thucydides
Dawkins engages in ad hominum argument by questioning the academic credentials of people who disagree with himself. The only thing that should be discussed is whether their ideas are true or false.

Agreed. This article has the stench of one who knows more than everyone else...

It leads me to believe that the polar opposite of a man with faith is one who absolutely must be right at all costs.

163 posted on 12/30/2001 7:06:52 AM PST by copycat
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To: copycat; Ahban
Dawkins engages in ad hominum argument by questioning the academic credentials of people who disagree with himself. The only thing that should be discussed is whether their ideas are true or false.

I'm amazed at how creatively the creationists ignore and misread what Dawkins is saying here.

Copycat, it's incredible that you would agree with this statement by thucydides which does not jive at all with the content of the article. Dawkins admits that Wise's scientific training qualifies him for a position far above that which Wise actually holds, teaching science at a small and obscure religious school.

Dawkins spends basically spends the entire article dissecting the implications of Wise's blandly confessed avowal that faith trumps all the evidence in the universe. Ahban, he only anecdotally and indirectly attacks Young Earth Creationism by mentioning Wise's own refutation of a supposed Carboniferous human bone, yet you earlier managed to say that the article's logic was strawman because Dawkins attacks only YEC-ism.

Various other posters have contented themselves with citing Dawkins's as arrogant, as if somehow that refuted his point, as if that were all that one could get. Does Dawkins write so poorly that one can't read the article and tell what he's talking about? I didn't think so, but went back for a second read just to be sure.

Paragraph one indeed brings up the subject of creationist credentials. Paragraph two makes it clear that Wise far outshines his C-side colleagues in genuine academic achievement.

In paragraph three, Dawkins tells us where he's going: Wise, despite his familiarity with the evidence, chooses "Virtuoso Believing" over all. Here Dawkins establishes his theme, which the rest of the essay will enlarge.

Paragraph four expands on Wise's knowledge of science and his honest recognition that evidence exists against his chosen position. "Unusually among the motley denizens of the 'big tent' of creationism and intelligent design, he seems to accept that God needs no help from false witness."

Paragraph six begins the almost spooky analysis of how even education and integrity are subsumed by irrational belief. It is here that Dawkins shreds Wise, for Wise in his honesty has admitted what no scientist can admit and still call himself a scientist, that the evidence means nothing against his preconceptions.

Admittedly, Duane Gish, Kent Hovind, et. al would not have Wise's embarrassment here, for they are brazen. So are most of the Cs on this forum. It doesn't matter that anyone can see what's going on.

171 posted on 12/30/2001 7:33:09 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: copycat
Thank you for your kind comment. It strikes me in this whole debate that both sides are proceeding on faith. The wonder of the world continues to be beyond human grasp.
188 posted on 12/30/2001 8:23:14 AM PST by thucydides
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