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Four US Planes Shot Down in Tora Bora (140 Spec Ops Dead too)
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Posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:22 AM PST by Jalapeno

TORA BORA (Institute for Islamic Studies and Research): During the last week, the Hamza Al-Ghamidi unit in the Tora Bora region has shot down four American warplanes and killed approximately 140 US Special Forces soldiers in a series of daily, multiple ambushes. Having withdrawn from parts of Tora Bora about ten days ago, the Mujahideen split up into small units in order to engage US Paratroopers that had dropped in the region in order to search its caves. Due to the cowardly nature of the American troops, they dropped 'Hummvee' jeeps and armoured vehicles with the soldiers. In a series of well-planned, multiple daily ambushes, the Hamza Al-Ghamidi unit attacked several bases and units of the Crusaders, killing approximately 140 of them. For the hypocrites and those with diseased hearts, such a figure is difficult to expect. However, in comparison with Mujahideen ambushes in Chechnya, a figure of 20 soldiers killed per day in multiple attacks, is actually quite small. It should be larger, but where it has not been possible to determine enemy dead, a lower figure has been given. The question arises, do the Mujahideen go round and count each dead body to arrive at these figures? The answer is that some dead bodies are clearly left behind and counted, whilst others are estimated from the number of destroyed vehicles. For example, if a Hummvee jeep with a normal capactiy of eight troops is destroyed and burnt to the shell, one can be confident that all eight troops on board were killed. As for the four warplanes, they were shot down using ordinary Anti-Aircraft weapons.

This report refutes the false claims by the World's media that the war is over in North East Afghanistan. Rather, it is proof that the promised guerilla war by the Mujahideen has begun and time will tell who was lying and who was speaking the truth.

There are no Chechen Mujahideen in Tora Bora, as has been repeatedly claimed by the Crusader media, that there are 200 of them. At no stage during the fighting in Tora Bora have there been any Chechen Mujahideen. These claims are made by the media in cheap attempts to 'incriminate' the Chechens as terrorists linked to Usama Bin Ladin, whom it is worthy to fight and kill.


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To: Jalapeno
Why post this crap, when you know it is Taliban propaganda. You are helping to spread their lies.
61 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:32 AM PST by Texbob
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To: denydenydeny
Being a Crusader actually sounds pretty cool. We should dig up some old F-8 Crusaders and cook up some missions for them over there. It would really confuse the liberal media "everybody-is-really-the-same-deep-down" apologists.
62 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:34 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Loopy
I heard that it was actually 6,000 planes shot down and 1.5 million US troops killed. I think they are being modest.

I heard it was the other way around - 1.5 million planes and 6000 soldiers. You can never trust these Jihad sites.

63 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:36 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Jalapeno
Yeah. And the Kung-Foo fighters with their Ninja Turtles are kicking the butts of infidels everywhere.
64 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:43 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Jalapeno
You really have to go to the site to experience the full depths of the author's ignorance. Check out the "farewell" message. It is so rife with inaccuracies, falsities, lies, fabrications, and misquotes that you will be stunned.

Apparently, this guy has been stuffing his hookah with some prime Afghani poppy byproducts.

65 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:46 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: Jalapeno
time will tell who was lying and who was speaking the truth.

It sure will.

66 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:27 AM PST by Steve0113
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To: grumpster-dumpster
Re: #21 "Flight of the Phoenix"-Great Jimmy Stewart movie...I thought I was the ony one in America that remembered that movie! LOL!

Also starred Peter Finch and Hardy Kreuger. :)

Walt

67 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:10 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"Also starred Peter Finch and Hardy Kreuger. :)"

And an OUTSTANDING performance by Ernest Borgnine!

I recommend any "Aviation-enthusiast reeper's" to find or rent this movie! It's one of the best!

68 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:13 AM PST by grumpster-dumpster
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To: grumpster-dumpster
Ooops...that's "Aviation enthusiast Freeper's."
69 posted on 12/29/2001 12:14:15 AM PST by grumpster-dumpster
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To: Tennessee_Bob
"...Wow...it's been a while since I've seen that movie. I'll have to go look for it now..."

Look for the dedication to the pilot who was killed flying that contraption. He crashed on landing during filming. (That's why there's no landing sequence, the Pheonix just flies out of sight over the dune at the oasis.)

Although some people believe that they actually used an engine boom from an old Fairchild to build the plane that crashed, it was actually a wood-framed scratch built that approximated the size and contours of the engine boom and wing tips. Several magazines ran articles at the time showing construction details. (sorry, can't remember which ones)

It was (unfortunately, but not surprisingly) plauged with control problems and crashed during filming.

70 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:18 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"...I think that was the C-119..."

Flight of the Phoenix featured the C-119's little brother, the C-82 'Packet'.

71 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:19 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Jalapeno
QUICK!

Will somebody Please Post the B.S. Meter!

Thank You!

72 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:21 AM PST by Simcha7
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To: TankerKC
As far as I know, only the Navy flew the F-8's. Although, my details may not be correct

Actually you are nearly correct. Only the US Navy and the French Navy have flown what is referred to by many aviators as 'the tits machine of all time.'

Speaking of the French... isn't it time we bombed those froggy bastards just on principle?

73 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:21 AM PST by ericthecurdog
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To: ericthecurdog
Upon reading more of the thread I stand corrected... the Flips and the United States Marine Corps flew the Crusader as well.

You learn something every day...

74 posted on 12/29/2001 12:15:23 AM PST by ericthecurdog
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To: Texbob
Why post this crap, when you know it is Taliban propaganda. You are helping to spread their lies.

I wouldn't say 'spreading'. I would say exposing. The site is very informative as to the warped mindset of the enemy.

Stay informed.

75 posted on 12/29/2001 6:22:03 AM PST by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno
Is that an echo? Is this guy talking in a cave?
76 posted on 12/29/2001 6:27:34 AM PST by Whilom
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To: magellan
Actually I have been a mechanic on both the A-7B (VA-93 Tonkin Gulf) and the TA4F (VT-23 Kingsville Texas), I also worked on the F9-J Cougar (VT-23 again ... before we transitioned to the A4). I also have worked on the F4, A3, A6 and the F8.
77 posted on 12/29/2001 10:00:31 AM PST by clamper1797
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To: Tennessee_Bob
To tell the difference between the A7 and the F8 ... look for the afterburner. No burner ... A7. When on deck ... look for the hydraulic wing tilt up. Wings raised ... F8
78 posted on 12/29/2001 10:04:41 AM PST by clamper1797
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To: Jalapeno
You need to go here and read about this site you posted from. I read this on APFN. Strange. http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=14867
79 posted on 12/29/2001 10:16:49 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: clamper1797
Easier still, look at the length of the fuselage between the wingroot and the back of the canopy. Long fuselage, Crusader, short fuselage, Corsair II.
80 posted on 12/29/2001 11:16:30 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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