Unlike Askel therefore (correct me if I am wrong), I do see this consolidation of Jewish financial and political power and its focus upon the Temple as part of God's plan Without getting into the effect of the observer on the observed and other bits of quantum physics that might better explain the intersection time and eternity ...
I am not a Calvinist, pagan or heretic and do not categorize "evil", evil men, or evil intent as "God's Will".
That said, I think it's entirely possible our creator has a fairly good idea how things will turn out, what choices we will make ... even if this clarity on his part is due solely to his knowing "in advance" our potential for choosing His or our own will and what acts we shall commit as a consequence of that choice.
The operation of prophecy has its place, then, despite the absolute truth that is our being possessed of free will.
Cars have windshields as well as rearview mirrors. So do civilizations. However, our rearward, Epimethean vision is far stronger than our forward, Promethean one. We have more archivists than prophets. For archivists see through a microscope, sharply, but prophets see through a glass, darkly.
Yet even the little the prophets see is of great importance to us. It is like the little but all-important view that a driver sees when peering through a tiny hole of light in a muddy windshield when the car is accelerating through thick fog over rocks and between abysses-in other words, when the situation is like that of our civilization.
The gift of prophecy, confined to a small number in Old Testament times, was offered to all Christians once the Holy Spirit, the One who makes and inspires prophets, was spread through the Church and into the world in the New Covenant. It is possible therefore without absurdity to call C. S. Lewis a prophet. Let us consult the writings of this most popular Christian author of our age with that hope in mind and look for some Lewis-light on our civilizational teeter, we who stand poised at the brink of spiritual suicide.
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I believe it's a mistake to believe that it is for men to bring about -- by whatever means necessary -- certain prophecies. It seems altogether possible that this is precisely the abuse of free will that, while appearing to conform to what they assume is "God's Will" for its having been prophesied by holy men, actually is a failure of obedience to God's will.
I do not believe it can possibly be true that terrorists and globalists should establish the true Zion.
Rather, in all my arguments, I trust it's clear that I believe all men -- regardless the avenue by which they approach God, his truth and his justice (as long as they are obedient and faithful to what they know to be true) have a certain obligation to abide by God's law as written in the heart of every man.
Clearly, the sentiments, actions, rationalization, intent and hate exhibited in such abundance on this thread and others suggests that some -- Jew, Christian, "atheist", what have you -- are not following their consciences.
The fact the forked tongue our own nation speaks of "faith-based partnerships" and "Holy War" ... not to mention washes down with a spoonful of Scripture federal funding for research on "Excess" human lives ... ought to be a wake-up call that things aren't what they seem.
(The United States is just slow -- about a century or so -- to the game of concertedly manipulating the faithful on religious terms.)
I see no reason why we should recognize as just the establishment and sustaining of a nation confected primarily by militant atheists and globalists who capitalized -- and still capitalize -- on a Divine Promise to the Jews. I think the Jews -- particularly the memory of those who suffered and died under National Socialist and Communist atrocities -- are being used to great effect by the pragmatists who seem to have won us over to their particular bit of alchemy where "God's Will" is concerned.
Forgive my tardiness in a response. We had guests last night. These are but musings. I hope you treat them more kindly.
I am not a Calvinist, pagan or heretic and do not categorize "evil", evil men, or evil intent as "God's Will".
Neither am I.
That said, I think it's entirely possible our creator has a fairly good idea how things will turn out, what choices we will make ... even if this clarity on his part is due solely to his knowing "in advance" our potential for choosing His or our own will and what acts we shall commit as a consequence of that choice.
Forgive my ill-considered use of the word "plan," however, if God created both free will and natural law (including both physical and social mechanics producing immediate and cascaded consequences of individual choices), and humans behave according to those laws, then when they make their choices as they do the results are predictable and obvious. Any nonlinear temporal experience (such as prophesy) would only confirm those mechanics while leaving the actors free to make their choices. One need not know who or why a person will make such choices, only that given the temptations some idiot will do it and the consequences are inevitable.
We were created and play according to our choices. It is to me a great and loving gift to allow such possibility as our own tragic failings no matter how predictable or foreseen. They are our choices in our lives. That is the gift.
The operation of prophecy has its place, then, despite the absolute truth that is our being possessed of free will.
Actually, on that I think we agree. I have experienced precognition with foreknowledge; i.e., that it was a precognitive experience at the time I "saw" it.
I believe it's a mistake to believe that it is for men to bring about -- by whatever means necessary -- certain prophecies. It seems altogether possible that this is precisely the abuse of free will that, while appearing to conform to what they assume is "God's Will" for its having been prophesied by holy men, actually is a failure of obedience to God's will.
See above. I think there is concurrence here too.
I do not believe it can possibly be true that terrorists and globalists should establish the true Zion.
Good thought. A "Zion in one’s own image," as it were. Pretty horrible thought, isn’t it? Particularly from a gang infused with Theosophists, animists, and the Baha’i ersatz pantheists.
Rather, in all my arguments, I trust it's clear that I believe all men -- regardless the avenue by which they approach God, his truth and his justice (as long as they are obedient and faithful to what they know to be true) have a certain obligation to abide by God's law as written in the heart of every man.
Seems to me that in some respects this could represent a tricky way out of the Catholic's remand to evangelism. I attended Catholic school as a non-Catholic and was thus acutely aware of those presuppositions. It would seem this a rationalization of the of that remand and its conflict with the ecumenism inherent to American citizenship and the conduct of political discourse in a public forum.
Clearly, the sentiments, actions, rationalization, intent and hate exhibited in such abundance on this thread and others suggests that some -- Jew, Christian, "atheist", what have you -- are not following their consciences.
About this I am not so certain you are on solid ground. Consider the later post by CommiesOUT (#886, I believe). Notice the public standard of ad hominem common among Jews, or for that matter the use of the word "nigger" among American blacks. There is a propensity to discount such habitual speech within one’s own social group, while maintaining the public double-standard of vicious, paranoid accusations of anti-Semitism or racism respectively. Such would allow in one's mind the latitude to fling the epithet while hiding behind the wall of public reproach for "hate speech."
The fact the forked tongue our own nation speaks of "faith-based partnerships" and "Holy War" ... not to mention washes down with a spoonful of Scripture federal funding for research on "Excess" human lives ... ought to be a wake-up call that things aren't what they seem.
Indeed.
(The United States is just slow -- about a century or so -- to the game of concertedly manipulating the faithful on religious terms.)
Are you referring here to globalist "secular humanism," Earth worship, Theosophy... what? All of the above?
I see no reason why we should recognize as just the establishment and sustaining of a nation confected primarily by militant atheists and globalists who capitalized -- and still capitalize -- on a Divine Promise to the Jews. I think the Jews -- particularly the memory of those who suffered and died under National Socialist and Communist atrocities -- are being used to great effect by the pragmatists who seem to have won us over to their particular bit of alchemy where "God's Will" is concerned.
There is an inference here I do not understand, unless it is to that "license by prophesy" mechanic to which you referred above. The conflict with your concept of Zion to which I can refer you is in Deuteronomy (to which I referred elsewhere in this misbegotten thread). God made it VERY clear that there was "a place I shall appoint," that was to be forever central to His Promise to the children of Israel. Having set that up, He had to know that if they blew it and the Temple was destroyed, that upon penitence there would be a fight to restore it. He had to know that this "stiff-necked people" would inevitably do so. He had to know that the temptation to desecrate it by the claim of supercedure would be great, and perhaps by incorporation by inheritance to the claim of Isaac by the children of Ishmael. Thus the Dome of the Rock. He had to understand that the adherents of that future race would cling to that claim to inheritance with their lives, as do the children of Esau. He had to love us to put the whole picture in front of our noses in neon lights so that there would be no excuses, knowing how stiff-necked we are and loving us anyway.
Isn't it fascinating?
He picks a place and watches the play in which we all make our moral choices among seemingly insoluble and imiscible claims and loyalties to that one God and His Law by however we make it in our image. Future conflicts are obvious and now enmesh the world, as predicted in prophesy (one of those natural law mechanics I talked about).
You see no "plan" there? What if I had defined such a "plan" as a set of immutable physical, social, and spiritual laws? Remember now, this is just little ol' me being a-musing. :-)
