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1 posted on 12/25/2001 10:35:40 AM PST by Wiley Sr (wileydrake@hotmail.com)
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To: Wiley Sr
I thought that the Pharisees were strict followers of the letter of the law without comprehending the spirit. They expected everyone to follow all of the minutiae instead of trying to know or understand God. If you have a moment maybe you could fill me in further.
2 posted on 12/25/2001 10:52:52 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Wiley Sr
This is definitely a subject which will draw fire and ire. That being said, I have long maintained that there are among us today direct descendants of those Pharisees who targeted Christ and the early Christians. They are not gone and they continue to persecute Christians and Christianity when they can get away with it. But on the other hand there are wise men like Rabbi Daniel Lapin who recognize the harm of pharisaic teachings and are fighting the good fight within their own congregation.
3 posted on 12/25/2001 11:00:08 AM PST by waxhaw
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To: Wiley Sr
There are Pharisees in every religion. They are the people who follow the letter of the Law, but ignore the spirit of the Law. They are the ones who memorize the Great Books by rote but have no understanding.

Yes, the Pharisees are still amoung us, they preach hatred and bigotry, they have a discernment problem....never knowing where to draw the line they force their opinions upon others. They are either too strict or too liberal, never seeming to find the middle ground that will allow a soul to florish. They are the ones spoken of in Mathew 23:

Woe to you, Pharisees and you other religious leaders. Hypocrites! For you won't let others enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and you won't go in yourselves. And you pretend to be holy, with all your long, public prayers in the streets, while you are evicting widows from their homes. Hyprcrites! Yes, woe upon you hypocrites. For you go to all lengths to make one convert and then turn him into twice the son of hell you are yourselves.

Interesting, isn't it?

4 posted on 12/25/2001 11:05:30 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Wiley Sr
One thing is certain: Nobody will ever speak or write of the Pharisees in the first person. Always in the third person.
7 posted on 12/25/2001 11:19:11 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal ;veronica;dennisw;TrueBeliever9; Prodigal Daughter; Zadokite;babylonian...
FYI
14 posted on 12/25/2001 12:06:01 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Wiley Sr
Were all Pharisees hypocrites? Weren't Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus both Pharisees? Seems they were both 'good guys." The Talmud claims that there were seven classes of Pharisee and only one acted out of love.

Was it not the Sadducees that were mostly responsible for Christ's death? They were significant as part of the ruling Sanhedrin authority at the time and the major influence in the Sanhedrin. Caiaphas, the chief priest of the Sanhedrin was a Sadduccee.

"The polemical utterances in the Gospels...created the image of the Pharisees as religious hypocrites--an image from which only modern research has freed them." Encylopaedia Brittanica. So who do we believe in this matter?

15 posted on 12/25/2001 12:12:48 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Wiley Sr
Matthew 16
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The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
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He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
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And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
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A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
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And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.
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Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
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And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
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Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
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Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
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Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
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How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
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Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Luke 12

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In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
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For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
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Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
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And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
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But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Matthew 18

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Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
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Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
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Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
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And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
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But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
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The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
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Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
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But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
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And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
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And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
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So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
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Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
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Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
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And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
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So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

18 posted on 12/25/2001 12:27:24 PM PST by michigander
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To: Wiley Sr
From Kabbalah Under Examination:
The following comments are from Rabbi Lipman on the Web, from 5/6/01

Speaking of the Saducees, Pharisees, and Essenes in Judea “as early as 151 BCE” Lipman writes, “The Sadducees ... came primarily from ... priestly families ... involved in the sacrificial cult of the Second Temple. ... The Sadducees recognized the authority of the written Torah ... The Pharisees represented a NEW stream of Jewish thought. They maintained that, in ADDITION to the written Torah, God had handed down an ORAL Tradition ... They challenged the priests and maintained that the priests didn't know the correct laws because they DIDN'T STUDY THE ORAL TRADITION. ... THE PRIESTS IGNORED THE ORAL TORAH. ... The Essenes viewed both the Sadducees and the Pharisees as corruptors of Jewish law.”

I would just like to draw attention to the Pharisee claim of an “oral law” being “a new stream” of thought, circa 151 BCE, and that the priests of Israel “DIDN'T STUDY THE ORAL TRADITION” of the Pharisees, “THE PRIESTS IGNORED THE ORAL TORAH” of the Pharisees.

The Jewish historian Josephus says the same thing as Lipman. Josephus wrote in AD 77 “What I would now explain is this: the Pharisees have delivered to the people a great many rituals by succession from their fathers which are not written in the laws of Moses; and for that reason the Sadducees reject them, and say that we are to accept those rituals to be obligatory which are in THE WRITTEN WORD, but are NOT TO OBSERVE what are derived from the tradition of our forefathers.” Josephus, Antiquities 13:10

The people of Israel, indeed even the PRIESTS of GOD'S Temple, were objecting 2,100 years ago to the "NEW" idea being pushed by the Pharisees, that the ORAL traditions of the Pharisee's and their own teachers, be elevated in rank and be made as binding as the WRITTEN WORD OF GOD. The idea was denounced as preposterous. Josephus well spoke the mind of the priests, that the people of Israel were to hold only those things "obligatory which are in THE WRITTEN WORD, but are NOT TO OBSERVE" these later commentaries by the Pharisees and the teachers they were sitting under and following. And Rabbi Lipman well notes that the priests of Israel “DIDN'T STUDY THE ORAL TRADITION” of the Pharisees, “THE PRIESTS IGNORED THE" so-called "ORAL TORAH” of the Pharisees.

That is not some new outcry of modern times, but a voice that has been crying out to Jews for twenty or twenty-three centuries!

But this Website is not actually calling for that. This is not a forum calling for the rejection of the Talmud, the so-called "Oral" Torah. We point out these issues not for their own sake, but only to lend weight to our own suggestion, which is far more moderate. Our plea here is not for REJECTION of the Talmud, but simply for the appropriate SUBORDINATION of it. It does not belong on an equal level with THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD, THE HEBREW BIBLE. One should not judge SCRIPTURE by the Talmud. The Word of GOD is not to be judged by the word of MAN. The Talmud is to be always judged by the SCRIPTURE.

That is the main point of this particular page. The Scriptures are superior to the Talmud, or any so-called "oral" tradition.


19 posted on 12/25/2001 12:45:12 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Wiley Sr
bump
22 posted on 12/25/2001 2:46:08 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Kevin Curry
How about this! A whole thread dedicated to you.
24 posted on 12/25/2001 2:51:32 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: Wiley Sr
At first reading, my take is the author is leading us down a path to convince us that modern-day Jews are our Pharisees. I don't buy that.

I believe Jesus (Happy Birthday to Him!) was condemning not any particular group that was racially or tribally defined, but rather a group as defined by those particular individuals who were hypocrites and considered themselves to be quasi-rulers who were above the common people.

MM

31 posted on 12/25/2001 5:27:41 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: Robert-J
Wonder who this might relate to?
34 posted on 12/25/2001 8:03:10 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Wiley Sr
It has always been my opinion that the New Testament has the Pharisees and the Sadduccees confused, in fact reversed. The Sadduccees were the Priests of the Temple and the members of the Sandhedrin. They were the religious "establishment" of the time.

The Pharisees were the members of the the rabbinical schools of the time who engaged in the discussions, expansions and commentaries on the Old Testament that eventually were included in the Talmud. They were the progentors of what became the synagogue religion of the Jews after the destruction of the second Temple.

The Pharisees were far more likely to be sympathetic to Jesus' critical discussion of the rigid "Temple Judaism" because that is exactly what they were doing. Many of the sermons and sayings of Jesus were almost identical to those of the best of the Pharisee rabbis.

37 posted on 12/25/2001 8:55:25 PM PST by Magician
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To: Wiley Sr
News from the Front #60:

Christmas Speech:  The Scribes and the Pharisees of Oregon

This is a speech given at December 6, 2001 Christmas Dinner of the Yamhill County Women in Agriculture.  To put it in context, before the speech the audience was shown videotaped interviews documenting the devastation suffered by the farmers:

Seeing that this is a Christmas dinner, I must apologize because my remarks are not really going to fit the season, because the subject matter, fraud and corruption in salmon recovery, doesn't really fill anyone with happiness and joy.  So I thought I would take another approach, and make a little effort to put the Christ back in Christmas, so to speak, and draw some parallels between the evils that He preached about and the evils that Oregon agriculture faces today.  For I think it only a slight exaggeration to say that our modern "scribes and Pharisees" are, to steal a phrase from that great defender of agriculture, William Jennings Bryan, well down the road to crucifying agriculture on the cross of Environmentalism.  

In particular, I want to make the case that the "scribes and the Pharisees" of Jesus' day represented the same sort of evil that the environmentalists do today.  I do not mean people who want to take care of the environment as part of the wise use of natural resources.  I mean people for whom protection of the environment their religion, a religion where the ends always justify the means, because the world is about to end, and only they can save us.

The Great Fraud in the Klamath Basin

Our first text is Matthew 23:4, wherein Jesus said:  "they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers."  This is natural resource policy in the Klamath Basin.  Now we've just watched the farmers and others testify to their suffering, and even though the Bush Administration could have granted these folks an exemption from the Endangered Species Act, the Administration would not lift "one of their fingers".   Remember the widow Brown from the tape?  It's just like Jesus preached:  "ye devour widows' houses" (Matthew 23:14).

Before I figured out that evil was involved, I used to think of the High Priests of Environmentalism like the Wizard of Oz.  Out would come great pronouncements about salmon recovery, but if we ask any questions, it's "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".  Here in Oregon, a federal judge recently pulled back that curtain and said wait a minute, these endangered salmon listings are illegal.  You can't just separate out the hatchery fish, when their parents are wild and their children are wild, and pretend like they are some different species.  

So we now know that nearly every salmon listing in the Pacific Northwest is bogus.  These fish are not like whooping cranes or California condors or white tigers.  There is no significant chance at all that the salmon are going extinct.  We have the largest salmon runs ever measured this year.  What's the response of the scribes and the Pharisees?  Let us study this matter for a few more years, while we continue to violate the law every day.

But down in the Klamath Basin, most of the water that would have been used for irrigation is released to meet "minimum flows" for coho salmon.  Where did these "minimum flows" come from?  One of the scribes and the Pharisees, a man named Hardy, simply made them up.  There are piles and piles of studies before 1995 where people looked at the condition of coho in the Klamath River, and no one ever even suggested that more water needed to be released from the Klamath Project.  The fish aren't anywhere near the Project, they're on the other side of an impassable dam, they don't spawn in the mainstem river, etc., etc., etc. 

But that didn't stop Hardy.  He declared that the coho needed more water than there was in the Klamath River in seven years out of ten.  And so it became an article of faith for the High Priests and their gullible followers.  There is not enough water in the Klamath Basin in seven out of ten years.  We have to have more "balance", and "sustainability", etc., etc., etc.

What about the suckers?  Another fraud.  Let's remember that the natural state of this area is a stinking swamp.  Back in 1840 when the explorer Fremont came through, he reported he wouldn't even let his horses drink from the water because it was so fetid.  It's a beautiful lake and fields now.

But back in 1988, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service made up a bunch of lies about suckers.  One species was so scarce we couldn't even find any.  There were only a few of the other species.  They hadn't spawned in 18 years.  

And after they listed them, of course they got a bunch of money to study the problem, and they went out, and lo and behold, there were suckers everywhere.  Sometimes the water gets too much algae in it, and tens of thousands of them die, but that's not a problem, because suckers were engineered to survive in fetid swamps.  But all last summer, we had to keep Upper Klamath Lake full to the brim because otherwise there might not be enough water for suckers.  

Some people call the Democrats the Evil Party and the Republicans the Stupid Party.  Many Democrats don't think there is anything wrong with the Endangered Species Act -- after all, it gets rid of those rural Republicans.  And most Republicans just want to improve it.  "Let's insist upon good science, and require peer review", they say.  And that is stupid, because the real endangered species in the Pacific Northwest is good science (and farmers).  

Why?  First, most of the science is funded by the government, and scientific results always support greater government control.  Second, the very institutions of science are all rotten.  Let's use the Klamath Basin as an example.  Greg Walden has called over and over again for "peer review" of the Klamath decisions.  Well, they finally brought in the "good science" peer reviewers, and guess what?  They are, for the most part, eco-nuts and political activists.  Thanks to the wonders of the Internet, their beliefs are exposed, let me read you what one of them wrote:

". . . in the Pacific Northwest, keeping a few loggers employed for a few years (until the trees run out) or keeping a few cow grazing along unfenced streams is regarded as worth sacrificing entire fish populations that can support future generations."

Think about how nuts this guy really is -- trees are going to "run out".  And think about what distain he has for us:  all us Northwesterners are a bunch of hicks who want to exterminate whole species for a few loggers or a few cows.  That's who the Bush Administration has tapped for "good science".  

These sorts of people are just like the scribes and the Pharisees.  Consider Matthew 23:24, where Jesus said :  "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."  Doesn't this describe the High Priests of the environmental movement perfectly?

Think about it.  They are "blind guides", because they have no idea what sort of adjustments to human activities really do improve salmon survival.  First they tell us to pull all the logs out of the rivers.  Then they tell us to put them back in.  First they tell us that we can't have fertilizer in the rivers, now they're dropping dead fish in the water from helicopters.  If anything is a religious ritual, that sure is.  Maybe if we rain salmon down from the sky, there will be many salmon. 

And they "strain at gnats and swallow camels".  A landowner can't build a dock in rivers with listed fish, but the City of Portland can dump hundreds of millions of gallons of raw sewage into the Willamette.  Joe Six-Pack will pay a huge fine for holding onto a wild salmon he catches, while the gillnetters and their ilk conduct a huge, unregulated cash-based trade in wild salmon.  Pacific Northwest salmon are the only endangered species you can enjoy for fifty cents a pound.

By the way, you know what the latest outrage is down in the Klamath Basin?  Well, after the Bureau demonstrated that it had gone beserk, Oregon's most prominent representative of the Stupid Party spearheaded a law to give still more authority to the Bureau, this time to go and do "feasibility studies" about identifying additional water sources.  And the Bureau turned around and said aha, now we've got millions of dollars to buy groundwater to fill up the wildlife refuge we drained dry.  And nearly 200 wells have gone dry down there.  

 The Assassination of Measure 7

Enough of that, let's find another Biblical parallel.  In Matthew 23:23, Jesus says that the scribes and the Pharisees "pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith".  I take this to mean that the scribes and the Pharisees would follow little rituals, but abuse their power and authority.  That's pretty much what the Kitzhaber Administration has been all about.

It says right in the Constitution of the State of Oregon, Article 1, Section 1, that " all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; and they have at all times a right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper".   Last November 7, the people declared that they were sick and tired of having the State of Oregon steal their property by passing regulations taking it away, piece by piece, and so they passed Measure 7.

Now Governor Kitzhaber is sworn to uphold the law, which included Measure 7 once passed.  And it was his job, along with the Attorney General, to defend Measure 7 from any lawsuits that the losers might file.  So what happened?  Government Kitzhaber and his lawyers and the environmentalists sat down with the plaintiffs' attorney and planned out how the State of Oregon could lose the lawsuit.  It was a 2 1/2 hour meeting, and they even picked the Marion County judge to hear the case.  And then the plaintiffs' attorney went home and prepared his lawsuit, and then the Deputy Attorney General went into Court and told the Judge, in substance, to go ahead and enter an injunction against Measure 7 because he was going to lose the case.  

So they paid the "tithe of mint and anise and cumin"; they went to Court and put on a little ritual for the public.  I look at this, and I see a gross betrayal of the public trust, and a criminal conspiracy to violate the civil rights of property-holding Oregonians.  And if we had prosecutors who weren't wimps, they'd issue criminal indictments for this sort of crookness.  But here, in the People's Republic of Oregon, you won't even read about this in the newspapers, only on the Internet.  Because the Commies are firmly in control in Oregon, and to the Commies, the State has to be able to steal private property without paying for it; that's what Communism is all about.  To me it's like  Matthew 23:27:  the shiny new buildings down in Salem are "like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."  

By the way, Governor Kitzhaber appointed the Deputy Attorney General who threw the case to the Court of Appeals, where he now sits.  And the only reason we found out about this at all is because afterwards, the plaintiffs' attorney showed up with his hand out to be paid by the taxpayers for his great victory, and his timesheets show the meeting.  And then Oregonians in Action managed to get ahold of the notes of the meeting, which told the whole sordid story.

Land Management and Enviro-Hypocrisy

Let us turn to another text.  Consider Matthew 23:13, where Jesus said:  "woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."  Isn't that a good analogy for public land management policies in the Pacific Northwest?  The wild places are the Kingdom of Heaven for the High Priests of Environmentalism, yet most of them never visit them, they merely close them off so no one can see them.

These people are taking over virtually every important public office in Oregon.  Two weeks ago, a man named Roy Elicker was promoted to Deputy Director for the Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife.  A friend of mine named Holly Swanson has a tape of a speech he gave at the University of Oregon ten years ago, when he was a lawyer working for the National Wildlife Federation.  Listen to what he said:

"What everyone likes is the Big victory, you load them cattle trucks for the last time and they go driving off into the sunset and never come back. But you can win a lot more victories than that ultimate one by making . . .  making it so expensive [for the rancher] in his operation and by making so many changes for him to continue to run his cattle on the public lands that he goes broke... he can't do it . . .The ultimate picture is of course, the last cattle truck driving off into the sunset, but that's not how you win. How you win is one at a time, one at a time, he goes out of business, he dies, you wait him out, but you win."

And now this guy is second in command at ODFW, so he can achieve his big victory.  But you won't read about him in any newspapers.  Unless you turn off your television, put down your newspapers, and get on your PC, you can't find out the truth about anything anymore.  It's all lies. 

Recognizing and Confronting Evil

Now Jesus recognized evil when he saw it, and he knew the scribes and the Pharisees were evil.  His words don't leave much doubt:  "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"   And the worst thing about the scribes and the Pharisees is that they pretended to be virtuous, and even believed themselves to be virtuous, just like the environmentalists.  

And things are worse than back in the times of Jesus, because these scribes and Pharisees don't just control the new State Religion of Environmentalism, they control every arm of the State itself.   You want to buy a house?   Good luck affording one; we have to concentrate all the people inside the Urban Growth Boundary, but we have to set aside the undeveloped land inside the Urban Growth Boundary for fish.  You have a good job in heavy industry?  The Dark Forces have stopped anyone from building power plants for a long time, because they want to supply the power by closing down electricity-dependent industries, which are now falling like flies.  You want to grow food?  But that takes water, and we can't use water because the fish need it.  And so on, and so on.  

We watched the failure of central economic planning and the collapse of Communism.  We used to recognize the evils of Communism.  And  now the same Commie philosophy is behind central economic planning for the environment.  But we don't seem to recognize the evil.  In a way, the very failure of Commie planning -- economic decline -- is deemed a great success.   We stopped development, so the plan worked, they say.

And who is fighting this evil?  Almost no one.  Oregonians in Action is putting up a bit of a fight, but where is your Farm Bureau?  In bed with 1000 Friends of Oregon.  Where are your Granges?  Asleep or running square dances.  [Ed. Note:  I stand corrected by the Grange]

And what on earth are your legislators?  Every year, the State of Oregon forces me to pay $2,000 license fee and sends me a monthly magazine called the "Oregon State Bar Bulletin".  And when I opened up the August/September issue this year, the first article was entitled "Kumbaya at the Capitol:  A review of the 2001 Legislative Session".  And the first sentence was:  "The 2001 legislative session was one marked by a spirit of cooperation."  

My question is, why are we cooperating with evil at all?  Here's the Biblical perspective on that (2 Corinthians 6:18):  "what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?"  Now I don't mean to imply that all of your leaders are evil. As a very great woman philosopher once wrote:

"The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority; it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind; it is the appeaser's intellectual abdication that invites them to take over. When a culture's dominant trend is geared to irrationality, the thugs win over the appeasers. When intellectual leaders fail to foster the best in the mixed, unformed, vacillating character of people at large, the thugs are sure to bring out the worst. When the ablest men turn into cowards, the average men turn into brutes."

I don't know of a single member of the Legislature who isn't some sort of appeaser.  Some of them are good people, even righteous people.  But, as Proverbs 2:21 tells us, "[a] righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring."  

Join the Salmon Revolution

What's worse is that the Dark Forces haven't just taken over natural resource management in Oregon; they've infiltrated every institution in this country that shapes our future.  We have lost control of our government agencies, our courts, our schools, all because we don't care enough to do anything about it.  

I mean really, aren't you just a little ashamed to live in the People's Republic of Oregon -- the only state where three major cities won't even interview aliens to protect us from terrorists because they are afraid of being insensitive to illegal aliens?  Did anyone read Dave Reinhard's column in the Oregonian this morning?  If White Supremacists kill someone, the Portland police can question every skinhead in sight.  If abortion extremists blow up a clinic, we can question every abortion activist in sight.  But if terrorists blow up the World Trade Center and kill thousands of people, we've got to be very careful to protect the civil rights of illegal aliens.

Every generation has a responsibility to pass along civilization to the next generation.  We are always just one generation away from the Dark Ages.  And in every generation, Dark Forces are trying to dismantle the ideals that made this a great Nation.  The Dark Forces replace our freedom with petty rules.  The Dark Forces replace our unalienable rights with unreviewable  government powers.  The Dark Forces replace private property with what they call "the public interest" -- what they want.  The Dark Forces replace due process of law with raw political power.  And the Dark Forces replace the truth with the lies that build that power.    

Make no mistake about it, whether you know it or not, you are at war with these Dark Forces right now.  It's not just a war about salmon and agriculture; it's a war about culture and ideals and freedom.  Winston Churchill once said, "When great causes are on the move in the world, we find that we are spirits, not animals, and that something is going on in space and time, and beyond space and time, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."  So it is to your spirits that I want to appeal.  You have a sacred duty to fight these Dark Forces, and pay forward the debt your ancestors paid with their blood, toil, sweat and tears.

How many of you are willing to work just a little harder in the New Year to elect people with common sense?  It doesn't matter whether they are Democrats or Republicans or whatever.  There are good people at the bottom of both parties.  

You've got to get people who are willing to call a spade a spade in every significant public office to start winning this war.  You've got to get people who the newspapers will call extremists in office, to wage war with the extremists that have taken over the bureaucracies.  There is no other way.  

We can win this war, which I call the Salmon Revolution.  We can make the rural Northwest a beacon of light no matter how far the Dark Forces advance in the great corrupt cities.  We can adopt the same political and organizational tactics of the Leftists, and regain control of the State of Oregon.  This Christmas, your efforts are the gift I hope for most.  Thank you.

© James Buchal, December 6, 2001

41 posted on 12/25/2001 9:33:01 PM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: Wiley Sr
Since I was dragged into this forum by "libertarianize the GOP", I think that I will add a comment.

First, I found an interesting discussion on the Pharisees and Sadducees at http://www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/pharsadd.htm. I don't know anything about the author, but I did find his essay to be informative.

Someone on this thread mistakenly said that Jesus was a Pharisee. The Pharisees were small in number. They were affluent individuals. Jesus came from Galilee, and was from the lower classes.

Jesus and the Pharisees held many of the same views. Some Pharisees were sympathetic to Jesus such as Joseph of Arimathea (sp?) and Nicodemis. However, Jesus' primary emphasis was on the love and compassion of God. Those Pharisees with whom Jesus was in conflict, placed a primary emphasis on maintaining personal holiness, and were severely judgemental towards the "sinner" who did not comply. While Jesus regarded many of the same actions as sinful as did the Pharisees, His compassionate nature brought Him into conflict with those who were rigid and unyielding; especially those who trusted in their own personal righteousness rather than the mercy of God.

50 posted on 12/25/2001 10:10:50 PM PST by Robert-J
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To: Wiley Sr
There were two sects of Pharisees, they were in opposition to each other's teachings. The Messiah's teachings as reflected in the Apostolic writings followed the philosophy of Hillel for the most part and opposed the teachings of the Shammai. It is quite appearant that the author of the article was ingnorant of this pivital detail, and needs to go back to his teacher and demand a refund. He even wrongly used the Jewish Idioms he quoted in the article. How embarrasing for him.
51 posted on 12/25/2001 11:21:09 PM PST by hsszionist
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To: Wiley Sr
most study Bibles and courses omit all but a casual mention of the Pharisees.

You will be happy to know that the MacArthur Study Bible lists 43 references to the Pharisees.

54 posted on 12/26/2001 3:13:33 AM PST by good1
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To: Wiley Sr
Every follower of Christ should ask himself, "Why is almost all mention of the most powerful and evil cult to appear in the New Testament avoided and shunned by Christian leaders today?"

C. E. Carlson seems to spend more time counting how many Pharisees can dance on the head of a pin, instead of advancing the message: "Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."

The modern day equivalent of this is: "Beware of the political correctness of the Leftists, which is hypocrisy!" The Pharisees may change their label, but they, like the poor, are always with us.

Every follower of Christ should expose their hypocrisy at every opportunity, and leave the counting of the Pharisees to God.

56 posted on 12/26/2001 4:25:32 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: Wiley Sr;Libertarianize the GOP
It is very telling when you look in your Bible at an index for descriptors of the Pharisees. My cyclopedic index (New American Standard) says of Pharisees:

A. Characteristics of:
Upholders of traditions (Mark 7:3, 5:8; Gal. 1:14)
Sticklers for Mosaic Law (Acts 26:5; Phil. 3:5)
Very careful in outward details (Matt. 23:23; Luke 18:11)
Rigid in fasting (Luke 5:33; Luke 18:12)
Lovers of display (Matt. 23:5-7)
Covetous (Luke 16:16)
Cruel persecutors (Acts 9:1,2; Phil. 3:5,6)

B. Chief errors of:
Outward righteousness (Luke 7:36-50)
Blindness to spiritual things (John 3:1-10)
Emphasis on the ceremonial law (Matt. 15:1-9)
Perversion of scripture (Matt. 15:1, 9)
Self-justification before men (Luke 16:14, 15)
Hindering potential believers (John 9:16, 22)
Refusal to accept Christ (Matt. 12:24-34)

C. Christ's description of:
Vipers (Matt. 12:24, 34)
Blind (Matt. 15:12-14)
Hypocrites (Matt. 23:13-19)
Serpents (Matt. 23:33)
Children of the devil (John 8:13, 44)

Christ despised the Pharisees, who were not interested in following God's will, in their hearts. They used their knowledge and status to gain and maintain power and political influence, to invent ways to economically profit from God's people (perfect example was the time Christ showed anger in the temple: Matt. 21:12; Mark 11:15). A pastor explained what had occurred, which is not understood from the text itself. (And I may not be retelling it 100% accurately, but the general idea is accurate.) The Jewish people were required to offer a sacrifice. The poorer people could only afford to purchase a bird (pigeon or dove) rather than a larger animal. The dove would be offered for their entire family. Buying this at the temple, they believed the bird would represent only their own family. The Pharisees, however, invented a way to profit from the sacrifice: they would sell each bird multiple times to unsuspecting families. By the end of the day, one bird might have been sold to dozens of families for the same price to each family, each family believing the purchased bird was sold only to them. This is what angered Jesus: the Pharisees, by deceit, profited from God's people who followed what God required.

I have seen and know many "Pharisees" within the Christian churches. They turn my stomach and I do not associate with such people. They know the scriptures, backward and forward, they know all the "right things to say" and sound authoritative, they freely speak their minds, and while doing so, they "beat the sheep," instilling in them guilt, making them feel unloved by God, unworthy to be called a Christian, freely saying that they even wonder if certain individuls are Christians because they "don't measure up" to the doctrine the Christian Pharisee applies to them, thereby manipulating control over the church goer. They are the last to show empathy or a willingness to help. Instead, they falsely accuse the Christian for deserving the hardships they are enduring because of some past or hidden sin. (While this could be a possibility, the Christian Pharisee always assumes it must be true.) Beware of the Pharisees, they are alive and well.

57 posted on 12/26/2001 6:15:22 AM PST by nicmarlo
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