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To: madrussian
Damage control. Not a good story to come out. Now comment on the letter about "smack in the face".

If the guy chooses not to use BC/AD, that's his business. Do you want me to force him? Do you want me to comment on every Jew? Look at the history, and look at the people as a whole. For example. Jihad/Terrorism in Muslims world is not an isolated incident. This is.

Burning the New Testament is not the policy/vew of all Jews, and is not a Jewish policy at all.

Good. We agree. Then why are we still on this?

Hey, likewise. Don't just try to remove symbols of this historically Christian European country that's offensive to your religion.

I wasn't aware that there was a movement amongst Jews to take out symbols out of this "historically Christian...". By the way, while most of the first americans were Christians, if I recall correctly, freedom of speech and religion were the first values as well. As for Judaism, nothing is offensive to our religion, other then others not letting us practice is.

For example, the Jewish involvemnt in the Bolshevik revolution.

I suspect that by this you mean that there were Jews amongst Bolsheviks? Sure, I don't deny it. Do you deny the russian involvement in the Bolshevik revolution?? Do you deny the Jewish involvement in the shaping of the capitalism system?

I am trying to point out that hostility to Christianity is a wide-spread phenomenon, both among religious and atheistic Jews.

Yes. You have been trying for a while now, yet I don't see any other examples other then isolated incident that you brought about here.

Those aren't allegations but facts. Remember, the commies were internationalists and the ethnicity didn't matter.

Now, you are the one acting like you are at a middle eastern bazaar. Internationalists? In theory? maybe. In practice? It said "Jew" in Jews' soviet passports. What's more, my father had to divorce my mom for 1 day, so they can remarry under her name so he could actually get into college (the dean told him flat out, that they are accepting any more of "his kind" that year).

137 posted on 12/25/2001 11:54:45 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
A thread for you to peruse.
142 posted on 12/25/2001 12:00:33 PM PST by madrussian
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To: BrooklynGOP
If the guy chooses not to use BC/AD, that's his business. Do you want me to force him?

No. The letter that you refuse to comment on, was comparing the usage of BC/AD to "smack in the face". Playing dumb, or being dumb? Who's forcing whom here?

Do you want me to comment on every Jew? Look at the history, and look at the people as a whole. For example. Jihad/Terrorism in Muslims world is not an isolated incident. This is.

There were Jewish terrorists too. And how about "Crazy" Irv? And ozzymandus here seems to have suggested that that incident wasn't single in the history. The most recent reported one, you can at least make that conlusion.

Good. We agree. Then why are we still on this?

Because I stated that it's the sentiment that is revealed.

I wasn't aware that there was a movement amongst Jews to take out symbols out of this "historically Christian...".

It's an attitude (confirmed by your scepticism about "historically Christian"), that is manifested in attempts to further secularize this country. You'll be very suprise to learn that many activists have Jewish names.

By the way, while most of the first americans were Christians, if I recall correctly, freedom of speech and religion were the first values as well. As for Judaism, nothing is offensive to our religion, other then others not letting us practice is.

Even with your narrow definition of "what's offensive", bibles and using references to Christ can be intepreted as attempts to convert, and therefore, not letting you practice your religion.

I suspect that by this you mean that there were Jews amongst Bolsheviks? Sure, I don't deny it. Do you deny the russian involvement in the Bolshevik revolution?? Do you deny the Jewish involvement in the shaping of the capitalism system?

By that I suggest that the overwhelming majority of top Bolsheviks were Jewish, and that they were driven by hatred to Czarist Russia with what they perceived was unfair treatment of Russian Jews. They weren't religious, just like most Jewish activists in the US are, who are, just like the Bolsheviks before them, are working on dismanling traditions of this country.

Yes. You have been trying for a while now, yet I don't see any other examples other then isolated incident that you brought about here.

I offered you two instances on this thread. I am sure there is much more evidence available, and if you want I will be flagging you on relevant threads.

Now, you are the one acting like you are at a middle eastern bazaar. Internationalists? In theory? maybe. In practice? It said "Jew" in Jews' soviet passports. What's more, my father had to divorce my mom for 1 day, so they can remarry under her name so he could actually get into college (the dean told him flat out, that they are accepting any more of "his kind" that year).

Stalin purged the "Old Guard" Bolsheviks, who were overwhelmingly Jewish, and the Communism started to gradually turn into nationalism, which culminated in its demise.

146 posted on 12/25/2001 12:16:37 PM PST by madrussian
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