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To: proud2bRC
I have not read that particular manifesto myself. The link you provided inferred that the "resistance" was in the spirit and manner of St. Paul to St. Peter. And no one would suggest that Paul was in schism, or was disputing Peter's place as the Holy Roman Pontiff. Likewise, I would assume this particular "manifesto" that you reference does the same thing. I skimmed back through the text of the article and couldn't find a reference to it there though. I did, however, find this exerpt (which seems to dispute your suggestion that he is anything other than totally faithful to the Pope:

By comparison, the SSPX professes its acceptance of papal authority and has entered into papally-ordered negotiations for regularization as an apostolic administration directly under the Holy Father. (As Cardinal Hoyos told the press, Bishop Fellay said to him that "when the Pope calls we run.")

39 posted on 12/23/2001 9:56:46 PM PST by Proud2BAmerican
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To: Proud2BAmerican
I've debated ad infinitum with several SSPX'ers. One I helped bring back from schism, and they now home school too and attend a Byzantine Catholic church.

Having talked to them at length, in my experience, writing/ saying you are faithful and actually being/living your faithfulness are two different things.

Read the schismatic web sites such as The Remnant, Catholic Family News, SSPX, SSPV, to get a feel for the kind and degree of "loyalty" out there, and compare it to faithful Indult Latin Mass sites such as Una Voce, Latin Mass Magazine, the FSSP, and the COALITION IN SUPPORT OF ECCLESIA DEI

I realize it is a difficult distinction to make, and as patent stated above, we should not be in the business of judging others as being in schism. But if you compare the "flavor" of the two sets of links here, I think you'll see what I mean.

42 posted on 12/23/2001 10:24:52 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Proud2BAmerican
I realize it is a difficult distinction to make, and as patent stated above, we should not be in the business of judging others as being in schism. But if you compare the "flavor" of the two sets of links here, I think you'll see what I mean.
I have to concur with Proud2bRC here. There is a substantial difference between how the Remnant crowd, and even more so the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, etc. dissent from Rome, and how those of us attached to the Tridentine and attending the Indult tend to dissent. One group seeks to reform the Church from within, by lawful methods and using what lawful means the Church will allow them. Another seeks to reform the Church by standing apart from it, safely separated from any of the things they don’t like, obeying when they choose, disobeying when they like. History is replete with examples of where these two paths lead. One restores God’s Church. The other invariably heads into schism if not hard and firmly corrected within a generation or two.

patent  +AMDG

59 posted on 12/24/2001 9:01:28 PM PST by patent
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