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Dying boy, 15, gets wish: losing virginity
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/23/01 | BY BENJAMIN ERRETT

Posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:24 AM PST by Mopp4

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To: Sungirl
You're over the edge on this. Take a long rest.
621 posted on 12/24/2001 6:41:46 PM PST by Osinski
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To: garbanzo
In other words, as I posited earlier in the thread, why is sex before marriage often considered morally wrong - it's largely because of long-term consequences of the behavior. As beings who can comphrehend the future we are obliged to act in the present to protect ourselves in the future. If we have no future, I don't see the reason why we should act as if we should.

I hope that you don't mean that we are morally absolved of any wrong doing if our death is imminent.

622 posted on 12/24/2001 9:40:19 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Danielle
Having sex is neither illegal nor immoral. What law of God's says that we cannot have sex? It is wrong in your point of view only, and maybe a few other radicals.

Having sex isn't wrong in my point of view. A 15 year old boy having sex with a prostitute is wrong in my point of view. I hope that's not a radical view.

623 posted on 12/24/2001 9:46:03 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
I most certainly never do.

Based on your suggestions to others, it seems as if you are giving advice to God himself. I believe that God knows what is moral in this case and not you.

624 posted on 12/25/2001 12:00:32 AM PST by Demidog
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To: DouglasKC
No, it's more things simply aren't wrong (on the basis of long term harm at least) if we have no future to look forward to - this doesn't exclude the possibility that something could be wrong on another basis as well.

For example, financial prudence is generally considered a virtue - however if you only have a few weeks to live you might as well spend every cent you have on everything you ever wanted (again assuming all other financial responsibilites to children, debt, etc are taken care of) because you won't be able to take it with you when you go.

625 posted on 12/25/2001 3:04:25 AM PST by garbanzo
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To: Mopp4
You're disturbed by a teenage boy's incredibly naturally longings while he's dying? Like going to Disneyland is worthwhile.

Bravo to all that helped him.

626 posted on 12/25/2001 3:20:39 AM PST by sakic
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To: garbanzo
The issue isn't legalities or "rights" here

I think it is with the hospital staff providing pimp services the family did not request for their minor child. I've been a hospital employee and we are paid to perform a particular service and that's all. I think they were completely out of line to go behind the parents' backs and make moral decisions for a child who wasn't their own.

627 posted on 12/25/2001 7:04:57 AM PST by FITZ
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To: garbanzo
My thought is that all free societies have to make a decision for themselves, in law, as to what age it considers its children to be adults. In some places that's 18. In others it's 12.

Even that should be a family decision to a large extent. If a family lets a 15 year old stay out all night it's their choice but if the curfew is set at 10pm that's also their choice. As long as you are paying the bills, you have that right. I even believe as long as someone lives in your house and eats your food and requires your financial support ---no matter the age, you have authority to make rules on their living style. You're required to support a 15 year old so you have full rights, at 18 they have a choice to live under your rules or move out and be self reliant.

631 posted on 12/25/2001 7:30:12 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Scorpio
If your view of sex under 18 is ok then you have no reason to oppose a 12 year old having sex

Since this was the hospital staff deciding to completely disregard the parents regarding a minor child, I don't see how it would be different if some orderly would have seduced a 12 year old girl patient and had "consensual" sex with her before she died, it might not be difficult to convince a child that age on pain killers that their life would be meaningless unless she tried sex at least one.

632 posted on 12/25/2001 7:34:19 AM PST by FITZ
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
God didn't exactly leave us to guess too much.

Yes he did. Alot. It's what is called free-will and since the Bible does not cover every given situation, you have to make your choices the best that you can as did this boy and those around him.

You have absolutely no idea how God will judge them and that is the point.

634 posted on 12/25/2001 8:25:31 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Mopp4
What would your reaction be if it had been a 15 year old girl who wanted to "get doinked" before she died?

Exactly the same.

Since this story first appeared, I have thought about it often and realized a sad thing:

Most parents (and many wannabes, I suspect) view the parent's role is discipline as the end in itself, and actually enjoy the control over their kids.
Without the prospect of a future physical life, all of the reasons to instill restraint, discipline, knowledge and judgement become moot.
The obligations of parenthood do not exist in a vaccuum or result from dogma.

635 posted on 12/25/2001 8:32:54 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: John Jorsett
Sin is sin.. salvation is not an on again off again thing.. with true salvation as spoken in scripture, we are changed ..transformed..it's not the sin we commit ..it is 'what' we were or are.... and there is a scripture that says:

Psa 103:11 For as the heaven is high above the
earth, [so] great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, [so]
far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth [his] children,
[so] the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

Psa 103:14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth
that we [are] dust.

636 posted on 12/25/2001 8:41:50 AM PST by Zipporah
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Notice also that his "instincts" told him NOT to tell his parents, nor hospital administrators ...... Another case of "morality" and "good conscious" coming from instincts deep in our souls.

That is the view of the terminally righteous and the dogmatic.
I prefer to see it as the very human reaction of wanting to prevent pain and anguish for those we love whether that pain and anguish are justified or not.
Another reason to admire the kid.

Are you among those who live the reverse?
You one of those who must call everybody you can think of at 3 a.m. when somebody dies?

637 posted on 12/25/2001 8:46:48 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: JudyB1938
I view the wisdom that comes with age as the greatest human gift.
Some people just enjoy the control, and the feeling of superiority inherent in condemning others.

Aren't Pride and Arrogance among the cardinal sins?
And these people think that remaining "unaware" will reduce their own self-defined punishment.
HA!

638 posted on 12/25/2001 8:54:28 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
You are right. What am I thinking? I think we need a government program to supply all fifteen year old boys with hookers. After all, we all know that you can die without getting laid.

Well, when that issue shows up in a thread, we can discuss it.
For now "made up" silly scenarios are not the topic.

The current topic is quite specific, and each variation deserves individual judgement; one answer does not fit all.

What's next? We are all pedophiles for not agreeing with you? That is the predictable tactic of those who would rather lash out than think.

639 posted on 12/25/2001 9:00:30 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Scorpio
I don't really have an abstract objection. Personally, I think individuals differ in maturity and what's appropiate for A isn't necessarily appropiate for B. I may particular objections for one person or another. However, as a legal issue we set limits only because as a matter of law we can set individual limits.

Think of my view like an American Express card - a number of factors go into a particular decision to accept or reject charges rather than having a set credit limit.

640 posted on 12/25/2001 9:06:10 AM PST by garbanzo
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