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Dying boy, 15, gets wish: losing virginity
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/23/01 | BY BENJAMIN ERRETT

Posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:24 AM PST by Mopp4

A terminally ill boy had his dying wish granted in Australia this month, but ethicists are still at odds over whether it was the right thing to do.
The wish was not for a trip to Disneyland or to meet a famous sports star. Instead, the 15-year-old wanted to lose his virginity before he died of cancer. The boy, who remains anonymous but was called Jack by the Australian media, did not want his parents to know about his request. Because of his many years spent in the hospital, he had no girlfriend or female friends.
Jack died last week, but not before having his last wish granted. Without the knowledge of his parents or hospital staff, friends arranged an encounter with a prostitute outside of hospital premises. All precautions were taken, and the organizers made sure the act was fully consensual. The issue has sparked fierce debate over the legal and ethical implications of granting the boy's request. By law, Jack was still a child, and the woman involved could in theory face charges for having sex with a minor. The debate was sparked by the hospital's child psychologist, who wrote a letter to "Life Matters," a radio show in which academics debate ethical and moral dilemmas. The scenario was presented in the abstract, with no details about the boy's identity.

"He had been sick for quite a long period, and his schooling was very disrupted, so he hadn't had many opportunities to acquire and retain friends, and his access to young women was pretty poor," the psychologist said recently in an interview with Australia's Daily Telegraph newspaper. "But he was very interested in young women and was experiencing that surge of testosterone that teenage boys have." Hospital staff initially wanted to pool donations to pay for a prostitute, but the ethical and legal implications prevented them from doing so. The psychologist presented members of the clergy with the dilemma and found no clear answer. "It really polarized them," he said. "About half said, 'What's your problem?' And the other half said [it] demeans women and reduces the sexual act to being just a physical one."

Dr. Stephen Leeder, dean of medicine at the University of Sydney and a "Life Matters" panelist, said the issue was a difficult one. "I pointed out that public hospitals operated under the expectation that they would abide by state law," he said. "While various things doubtless are done that are at the edge of that, it's important the public has confidence that the law will be followed." Jack's psychologist, who works with children in palliative care, said the desire was driven in part by a need for basic human contact. "In a child dying over a long period of time, there is often a condition we call 'skin hunger,'" he said. The terminally ill child yearns for non-clinical contact because "mostly when people touch them, it's to do something unpleasant, something that might hurt." Leeder called the diagnosis "improbable." Judy Lumby, the show's other panelist and the executive director of the New South Wales College of Nursing, argued that the details as presented made it abundantly clear the boy's wish ought to be granted. "I said that I would try my darndest as a nurse to do whatever I could to make sure his wish came true," she said. "I just think we are so archaic in the way we treat people in institutions. Certainly, if any of my three daughters were dying, I'd do whatever I could, and I'm sure that you would, too." National Post


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To: Mopp4
Good point. His dying wish was to commit a sin. The guy was a victim of peer and social pressure, probably from watching too much TV while he was bed-ridden. At least the indication that he didn't want his parents to know shows they might have their priorities straight. But how did their son go awry?
461 posted on 12/23/2001 6:15:17 PM PST by Roy Tucker
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To: Cap'n Crunch
You see, seeing how I know that Jesus is not and was not the Messiah, and that you and your people like to throw everybody into hellfire that says that line I just said (per your scriptures), I was just wondering how you would respond to a Judaic line of reasoning. I now see. I am officially on the highway to hell. Well, I guess we will all see when the true owner of the universe makes His Presence known again, won't we? You know the One I am talking about.... the Psalmist says the Tetragrammton 'was His name, is His name, and will always be His name'. Lets see .... Yud Heh Vav Heh. Sure doesn't look like 'Jesus' to me.

BTW, You do know that in the occult there is a name for letting the bible fall open to whereever it may in 'answer' to a question or prayer, didn't you? Look it up.... there is a name for it (though I don't remeber stuff like that off the top of my head), and it is used by occultists.

463 posted on 12/23/2001 6:22:38 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Tailback
People that want to criticize this kid for this need to get a frigging life.

And who is criticizing the boy rather than the facilitators and pimps who were supposed to be caring for him?

465 posted on 12/23/2001 6:25:57 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Lazarus Long
Don't misunderstand, I'm not arguing with your contention that humans are here for more than sexual gratification. We're in total agreement about this. To list things that I believe are more important than sex would use up too much of JimRob's bandwidth. My point was that, other than the standardized "it says so in the Bible" excuse, you can't give me one good reason why this kid shouldn't have a little sensual fun with the opposite sex before he passes.

It's illegal. It's immoral. It's wrong. It violates the laws of God. Those are some pretty strong reasons.

I guess if we want to throw away those things, there would be nothing wrong with him indulging in a fantasy of robbing a bank either.

And by the way he's not "having a little sensual fun with the opposite sex". Call it what it is...he's f***ing a whore. Nothing more.

466 posted on 12/23/2001 6:27:21 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Sungirl
He didn't have the opportunity for love. I'm feel really bad for the people who can't take any joy in a young man's single and final expression of pleasure and would rather a person suffer than break one your arbitrary rules.

Do you guys work for the government or something?

467 posted on 12/23/2001 6:27:39 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: Sungirl
I can't believe your parents encouraged you to go out and screw any girl when you were into puberty!

Total figment of your overactive imagination. (Too many suppressed normal physical urges, perhaps.)

my point was that you are encouraging this sick kid to break the law

Your point? I never even heard about this kid until after he was already dead.

...that its ok...

Judge not...
walk a mile in his shoes...
cast the first stone...

See any pattern here?

All you people who are making excuses for this sick kid are wrong.

Not making excuses...supporting his decision, Queen Solomon.

If your kid was sick, I can't believe you would encourage him and give approval for him to break the law,and/or lose his morals.

If your child was starving, and stealing food was his only means to survive, would you condemn him?

What if something happens and he lives?

Even better.

No wonder society is like it is today with all these pregnant teenagers. You make poor role models.

Your life sounds positively horrible. So many people to judge...so little time.

468 posted on 12/23/2001 6:31:15 PM PST by Osinski
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To: Scorpio
You have exellent logic and a well presented viewpoint. I shall consider your position.
470 posted on 12/23/2001 6:36:30 PM PST by Osinski
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To: DouglasKC
Some of you people really need to get laid...yikes. Don't you guys remember being teenagers? Or maybe you guys never had sexual urges and you certainly didn't face being told that you only have a few more months to live at the age of 15 and having to live with knowing about all the things you would never get a chance to do. I doubt most of you would be sitting around arguing about "immorality" and begging that someone would do something to alleviate your pain.
471 posted on 12/23/2001 6:36:48 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: Mopp4
Is this reflective of the way young people view life today?

Nope. Was a long time ago when I was 15, and it was pretty important to me at the time.

473 posted on 12/23/2001 6:39:48 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: Cultural Jihad
Libertarianism can justify no prohibition against adult-child sex--provided the sex is "consensual."

Some savvy libertarians already realize this and just don't say much about it, knowing that as bad as things are, the moral sensibilities of most Americans still have not rotted to the degree of corruption needed to allow them to easily accept or tolerate adult-child sex. To spare libertarianism early bad press, they are content to let that sleeping mangy mongrel lie for now.

Other libertarians still deny that their idiotic and feeble-brained "consent über alles" philosophy can offer no defense to adult-child sex. But "scientists" have already declared children capable of consenting to sexual intercourse with adults, leaving libertarians with no objective basis to refuse to allow "consensual" adult-child sex.

In time they'll accept and embrace even pedophilia. I won't. But then I'm a bigoted, intolerant, hateful, Christian fundamentalist statist.

474 posted on 12/23/2001 6:51:19 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Well what's a "child"? Is there something magic about the age of 18? We have age of consent laws because it would difficult for the state to judge consent in each and every case. Where exactly we draw the line is to some degree arbitrary - there are plenty of 18 year olds who too immature to have sex and some 16 year olds who are. A point of fact is that in many states and countries the age of consent is 16 so this isn't really that big a moral dilemma - no more so than a 17-year-old having sex where the age of consent is 18.
475 posted on 12/23/2001 6:58:55 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: Cultural Jihad
At least this kid had some happiness! Regardless of what he wished at least it could be granted as he did have cancer and most likely was going to die! Maybe you would refuse this wish for your kid! Thats your choice but I highly doubt you would. The truth is we should legalize prostitution! It fulfills a need and would create more harmony and clean up our streets somewhat more and cut down on the prison population a little. By the way I dont no any teenager who doesnt think about sex. If you do take the kid to therapy for help, since something aint working!
476 posted on 12/23/2001 7:04:01 PM PST by richardthelionheart
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To: Scorpio; Kevin Curry; Roscoe
Interesting Thread. Here is my 2 cents...

Thanks for your post!

477 posted on 12/23/2001 7:06:22 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: hope
You did not, apparently, read the rest of my post answering this ( the portion you have quoted, attributing it to me, is actually that of another poster, which I was answering in post #120 ). Either that, or you are misquoting my response.
478 posted on 12/23/2001 7:08:19 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: coloradan
And I do! Childhood cancer is nearly always genetic, and that places blame for the whole sad situation squarely at the parent's feet.

And your "opinion" is backed by which study? What specific scientific facts? Who's research? Where was it published?

Don't go laying that pure unadulterated CRAP at the feet of parents. You have no right. You have no proof of that statement. Shame on you!

479 posted on 12/23/2001 7:18:04 PM PST by usconservative
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To: Lazarus Long
I guess if we want to throw away those things, there would be nothing wrong with him indulging in a fantasy of robbing a bank either.

So, you're comparing his having consensual sex with a prostitute with robbing a bank (stealing people's money)? If you think those two things are on the same moral plane, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

They are on the same moral plane in Gods eyes. What's really the pisser is that my even fantasizing about stealing a pack of gum from the store is on the same moral plane also.

But if you want to condone an activity that's illegal, immoral and wrong, you go right ahead. You're not alone.

480 posted on 12/23/2001 7:21:27 PM PST by DouglasKC
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