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Dying boy, 15, gets wish: losing virginity
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/23/01 | BY BENJAMIN ERRETT

Posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:24 AM PST by Mopp4

A terminally ill boy had his dying wish granted in Australia this month, but ethicists are still at odds over whether it was the right thing to do.
The wish was not for a trip to Disneyland or to meet a famous sports star. Instead, the 15-year-old wanted to lose his virginity before he died of cancer. The boy, who remains anonymous but was called Jack by the Australian media, did not want his parents to know about his request. Because of his many years spent in the hospital, he had no girlfriend or female friends.
Jack died last week, but not before having his last wish granted. Without the knowledge of his parents or hospital staff, friends arranged an encounter with a prostitute outside of hospital premises. All precautions were taken, and the organizers made sure the act was fully consensual. The issue has sparked fierce debate over the legal and ethical implications of granting the boy's request. By law, Jack was still a child, and the woman involved could in theory face charges for having sex with a minor. The debate was sparked by the hospital's child psychologist, who wrote a letter to "Life Matters," a radio show in which academics debate ethical and moral dilemmas. The scenario was presented in the abstract, with no details about the boy's identity.

"He had been sick for quite a long period, and his schooling was very disrupted, so he hadn't had many opportunities to acquire and retain friends, and his access to young women was pretty poor," the psychologist said recently in an interview with Australia's Daily Telegraph newspaper. "But he was very interested in young women and was experiencing that surge of testosterone that teenage boys have." Hospital staff initially wanted to pool donations to pay for a prostitute, but the ethical and legal implications prevented them from doing so. The psychologist presented members of the clergy with the dilemma and found no clear answer. "It really polarized them," he said. "About half said, 'What's your problem?' And the other half said [it] demeans women and reduces the sexual act to being just a physical one."

Dr. Stephen Leeder, dean of medicine at the University of Sydney and a "Life Matters" panelist, said the issue was a difficult one. "I pointed out that public hospitals operated under the expectation that they would abide by state law," he said. "While various things doubtless are done that are at the edge of that, it's important the public has confidence that the law will be followed." Jack's psychologist, who works with children in palliative care, said the desire was driven in part by a need for basic human contact. "In a child dying over a long period of time, there is often a condition we call 'skin hunger,'" he said. The terminally ill child yearns for non-clinical contact because "mostly when people touch them, it's to do something unpleasant, something that might hurt." Leeder called the diagnosis "improbable." Judy Lumby, the show's other panelist and the executive director of the New South Wales College of Nursing, argued that the details as presented made it abundantly clear the boy's wish ought to be granted. "I said that I would try my darndest as a nurse to do whatever I could to make sure his wish came true," she said. "I just think we are so archaic in the way we treat people in institutions. Certainly, if any of my three daughters were dying, I'd do whatever I could, and I'm sure that you would, too." National Post


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To: innocentbystander
Why is it so important to make a distinction as to which species are better or worse?

Are [cockroaches] not more in tune with this earth than human beings?

And now we see where Mr. bystander's moral compass lie: People are no better than cockroaches, so therefore all moral constructs are to be sneered at and ridiculed. It again proves the old adage: "Misery loves company" in the worst case of jealousy ever documented.

281 posted on 12/23/2001 1:37:34 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: innocentbystander
I wouldn't bother... like other holy warriors fighting for their vision of utopia, logic does not matter. They'll raise up arguments that would get a person booted out of Debate 101. You will soon find yourself defending an accusation that has nothing to do with the issue.
282 posted on 12/23/2001 1:38:46 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: DB
So when a soldier goes off to war it is immoral for him to have sex with his wife and have child???

It is noteworthy that you are asking these sorts of questions. If you are serious in your inquiry then go ask a priest, because only God determines what is moral and what is immoral, and only the Church has the authority to interpret Public Revelation.

284 posted on 12/23/2001 1:40:42 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: NeoCrusade
Blindly following the rulebook (the Bible) is folly.

That would mean some of the people here would have to think instead of just doing what they're told.

285 posted on 12/23/2001 1:41:01 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: bigcheese
oops, innocentbystander, guess i didnt post that early enough.
286 posted on 12/23/2001 1:41:18 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: innocentbystander
You are just full of ad-homimum calumnies today, arent you? Whatever.


"Do what you want to, so long as it doesn't
[apparently] hurt anyone [else] [right away]."
-The Gospel According to Human-Hating Humanists

289 posted on 12/23/2001 1:45:10 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
If you are serious in your inquiry then go ask a priest, because only God determines what is moral and what is immoral, and only the Church has the authority to interpret Public Revelation.

Your hypocricy is really really making my HAIR HURT.....go back and read what you posted in #281 after you read the paragraph I just copied to you.

290 posted on 12/23/2001 1:45:36 PM PST by Neets
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To: Cultural Jihad
Maybe the boy's dying wish was to start a big fight among friends on FR about who has the most moral sexual code of all. Voila!
291 posted on 12/23/2001 1:48:41 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: garbanzo
That would mean some of the people here would have to think instead of just doing what they're told.

And what are our future leaders being told of the value and purpose of life by their Marxist moral-liberal professors? Or by the moral-liberal mass media?

293 posted on 12/23/2001 1:49:55 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: innocentbystander
As a fellow freeper, it is my duty to inform you that you are seriously embarassing yourself. Drop it, pal.

As a fellow freeper, it is my duty to inform you that you are seriously embarrassing yourself with your spelling. Drop it, pal.

294 posted on 12/23/2001 1:51:29 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dumb_Ox
Which, of course, is fornication--the immorality of which was nearly universally recognized until the Children of the Sixties exalted it.

Which is complete and utter nonsense. Read some turn of century literature. Read some Hemingway or Steinbeck. Read some 19th century literature. Fornication wasn't invented in the 60s. Go look up the etymology of the word "hooker". One hundred years ago this would be a nonstory. His dad probably would have supplied the prostitute, if he hadn't already.

295 posted on 12/23/2001 1:54:20 PM PST by garbanzo
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
I wasn't imagining Jesus in any particular way at all. The image of a woman showing such devotion and humility is what stirs my imagination. I have always wondered what the purpose of that story was though. I do wonder how it affected Jesus but it doesn't say much about that. Obviously it moved the writer enough that he had to mention it.
296 posted on 12/23/2001 1:55:46 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Everyone
Deos equating the decision of a kid who gets laid on his deathbed with the non-morals of the "moral-liberal mass media" seem like a s-t-r-e-t-c-h to anyone else?
297 posted on 12/23/2001 1:55:54 PM PST by bigcheese
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To: Cultural Jihad
I don't think you're much different. Your brand of totalitarianism is much like others and they all share the signature - a complete and utter hatred of man's happiness on earth. Be it theocracy, communism, or fascism - the idea of the human individual choosing his own happiness is anathema.
300 posted on 12/23/2001 1:57:12 PM PST by garbanzo
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