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Median Income Drops Are Tied to Immigrants
The New York Times ^ | December 22, 2001 | STEVEN GREENHOUSE

Posted on 12/21/2001 9:56:38 PM PST by sarcasm

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To: Joseph Warren
The COUNTIES are " tonie "; the cities / towns mentioned are NOT !

FYI ... I live in Fairfield County ; but NOT in Bridgeport ( shudder , cringe ! ), Norwalk, nor Stamford. That doesn't mean that I don't know what each of them are like. LOL

41 posted on 12/22/2001 1:43:25 AM PST by nopardons
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To: PRND21
LOL, THANKY , and I have indeed done so ; often ! : - )
42 posted on 12/22/2001 1:47:15 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Joseph Warren
Exactly so ! By jove, I think you've got it in one ; well done. : - )

BTW, please stop painting, with such a broad brush , about LEGAL immigrants. I happen to know quite a few of them, ALL of whom speak English fluently, have university and higher, degrees, and make six figure incomes.

44 posted on 12/22/2001 1:52:08 AM PST by nopardons
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To: sarcasm
The Clinton fat hog is falling apart.
45 posted on 12/22/2001 1:53:38 AM PST by mbb bill
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To: Joseph Warren,nopardons
Now don't get smart w/ nopardons. She cooks a huge Christmas dinner with roasted goose each year. No fooling around for this gal! Rumor has it that a few years back she gave her Connecticut neighbor Martha Stewart cooking lessons and showed her how to keep an herb garden.
46 posted on 12/22/2001 2:00:24 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Hi, my dear ! : - )

My kitchen garden IS rather nice and still producing. We've had such unusually warm weather, here. LOL

The goose is in the freezer, and I've already begun the goulash ( old family recipe, which family tradition claims goes back to Attila the HUN ! Very distant relative, which is another good reason to NOT cross me . ) , for Christmas Eve. I won't make the egg noodles for another day. : ^ )

MERRY CHRISTMAS , to you and your's, my dear.

47 posted on 12/22/2001 2:09:02 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
My kitchen garden IS rather nice and still producing. We've had such unusually warm weather, here. LOL

I psychically divined you kept a garden! Hahha
Yes the unseasonably warm weather has helped

The goose is in the freezer, and I've already begun the goulash ( old family recipe, which family tradition claims goes back to Attila the HUN ! Very distant relative, which is another good reason to NOT cross me . ) , for Christmas Eve. I won't make the egg noodles for another day. : ^ )

MERRY CHRISTMAS , to you and your's, my dear.

And a very MERRY CHRISTMAS  to you and your clan, honeybunch!

49 posted on 12/22/2001 2:15:40 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Joseph Warren
Oh dear, oh dear, oh DEAR ; what AM I to do with you ? Of course I saw O'Rielly tonight. LOL I'm a CONSERVATIVE news / political junky !

Today's immgration mess goes back to 1965, and Teddy Kennedy's garbage Immigration Bill !

No, in the sceme of things ( for number crunchers ), the white, upper middle class immigrants, bit old and young, who I know, are but a very tiny part of the immigration situation. It is just that YOU ( and to be fair , others here ) keep talking as though the ONLY immigrants, both legal and ILLEAGAL, are Mexican and South Americans . That damages the debate, and makes you look like a bigot. Just as in this thread's article, is it was is implied, inferred, and LEFT OUT entirely, that makes it all suspect. : - )

50 posted on 12/22/2001 2:22:38 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Okiegolddust
The conservative elites in the hacienda's

I think those are a lot of liberals. The conservatives are the ones out working having half or more of their taxes taken from them. Tyson's was a Clinton supporter and immigrant smuggler for the obvious reasons.

51 posted on 12/22/2001 6:01:20 AM PST by FITZ
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To: sarcasm
Any prof. of agriculture doesn't know what end the manure comes out of an animal, and they are merely tools of those who make large grants to their departments, Tyson, Cargil, ADM and the rest.
52 posted on 12/22/2001 8:53:30 AM PST by junta
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To: sarcasm
There is a good word for what's going on: third-worldization.
54 posted on 12/22/2001 9:29:08 AM PST by madrussian
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To: Okiegolddust
These politicians and so called leaders that make the decisions live in guarded, secure, and super nice clean communities, that price the average American and the illegals out.

Its just like the Southern California area. Everyone thinks its a third world, and some parts are. However, there is tons and tons of money in Southern California which have built extremely tall financial fences.

There are many areas in Southern California where the third worlders and illegals are completely locked out due to these tall financial fences. Large areas of $300,000 homes and *UP* do an excellent job of keeping the average American and the millions of illegal out. Huge areas of million PLUS dollar homes are common place.

The politicians live in these very nice areas, so they don't give a damn about you or your daughters and grandkids. You see the politicians and our so called leaders are protected in their super nice areas. *THEIR* daughters and grandkids wont have to worry about bumping bellies with, and living among the millions of illegals aliens like many rank and file Americans have to.

The politicians don't give a damn about you or me. Their big decision is what to wear to the next luncheon or TV interview, or deciding which party to go to tonight.

56 posted on 12/22/2001 12:44:50 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: JoeEveryman
There is NO way, that I would EVER stand with ILLEGALS, nor the companies / people who employ them ! What have I ever posted, which would lead you to assume that I would ? : - (

Yes, I read about that case, here in Conn., and Tyson deserves to be in court, for decades. They have ALWAYS been in the midst of shady practices. I won't buy anything they sell ( been boycotting them for a decade !), and have convinced everyone I know to boycot them too.

I did NOT say that low paying jobs ( re the immigrants ) cut into high end salaries ; the idiot author of the article did. In Conn., what hampered / cut into upper levels of income, was the slight recession of the early '90's, Slick's income tax ( RETROACTICVE ! ) raise, the beginning of the Stock Market plunge ( March of 2000 ! This is NOT a " Bush recession " ), the dotcom BUBBLE burst ( Priceline.com's CEO's mansion was stopped midway through being built, and is STILL in that condition ! ) , and such.

57 posted on 12/22/2001 1:02:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: sarcasm
It is offical government policy to import cheap educated labor....Engineers....doctors....nurses....educators..

They will all work long hours for less money..this is part of the free trade open borders gift to big Business....

58 posted on 12/22/2001 1:06:18 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: TimothyNRiordan
Bump
59 posted on 12/22/2001 1:07:05 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Joseph Warren
Listen newbie, you'd best rethink replying to me, since almost EVERY post of your's ( all but one, actually, have been snide, smarmy, and baiting / a personal attack ), has been argumentative, inacurate ( as to what I have said !) , twisting my words, and insulting. Read the posting rules, and obey them !

Oh right, leave out what I said about Teddy Kennedy's 1965 Immigraton Bill , then offhandedly , throw in that I mentioned ( I did MORE than that! ) , and then go off on your own tirade. That isn't refutation, and neither is saying that I am NO Coservative. In truth, YOU appear to be a DU troll, NOT a Conservative at all, and yes, you have appeared to be a racist.

The 1965 Immigration Bill, DID favor nonCaucasian immigrants ! Since you don't know much about immigration, do allow me to teach you some history, on this topic. : -)

Prior to 1965 , European / Caucazoid immigration was , if not favored, NOT hampered, as the 1965 made it. From the times of the mid/ late 19th century , each influx of " others ", HAS caused the majority of the native born, to rail against the new commers. The Sephardic Jews , looked on , with a jaundiced eye, as the German / Middle European Jews came. The Knownothings, were against Catholic and Jewish immigrants ! The potatoe famin Irish immigrants, were faced with :" IRISH NEED NOT ALPLY ", and " NO DOHS / NO IRISH " signs, cartoons depicting them as drunks, slatterns, and gorillas. The later ( very late 19th / early 20th century ) influx of Russian and Polish Jews, had American Jewery up in arms ! They really weren't all that far off, as this later group, really was composed of a majority of Marxist / Socialist types , whose children , grandchildren, and great grandchildren have been in the forefront of the LIBERAL / SOCIALIST putch in this country. The Italians had more than their fair share of caluny heaped on them, and their IS a resovoir of this , alive and well today. The Portugese, in Rhode Island & Conn., faced / face discrimination. The earlier immigration laws, FORBADE Chinese women to come here. Then, white Americans went ballistic , when Chinese men wooed / married white women.

I could go on, but YOU would find a way to mangle it all/ ignore the facts. : - (

I NEVER, not once, EVER claimed that middle class / wealthy immigrants were a majority , nor just an equal group , of those who come here. GET YOUR EYES CHECKED, TAKE A READING COMPREHENSION CLASS, AND DO TRY TO SEE WHAT I WRITE, INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU IMAGINE YOU SEE !

The author , of the origial stats, is an idiot ; I said so, and so did others. He is an inept writer, biased, and the article is filled with inacuracies, slanted polemics, and untruths; just like your posts. Why, on earth, are YOU stnding with the N.Y. Times, and their LIBERAL / LEFTY " journalist " ? GO BACK TO DU !

60 posted on 12/22/2001 1:34:58 PM PST by nopardons
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