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To: onedoug
Do you also relate to Marilyn Hickey who teaches you to speak to your wallet or that Jesus Christ went to hell and paid for our sins in hell. It doesn't get much worse than that woman. The same kind of thing is being taught by Joyce Meyer. She teaches that Christ went to hell and was tormented by demons and that he was the first born-again man. And she says that unless you believe Jesus went to hell in our place, there is no hope of glory in heaven.

Joyce Meyer openly claims alliegance to the Word of Faith movement and to Word of Faith teachers, like Kenneth Copeland. She holds to a lot of cultic teachings with regards to generational spirits, etc.

Neither Kenneth Copeland's (nor their) teachings square with scripture on essential Christian doctrine. (Ditto for Kenneth Hagan, Rodney Howard Browne, Benny Hinn, et.al.)

Kenneth Copeland overtly mocks those who do not believe in his metaphysical concept of faith. Likewise, he mocks those who believe that Jesus atoned for our sins on the cross, and he makes it very clear that Jesus Christ did not atone for our sins on the cross...that he was a satanic being on the cross, that he had to go to hell to be *born again* in hell. He says satan conquered Jesus on the cross.

Copeland teaches that if he had the knowledge of the word of God that Jesus did, he could have redeemed mankind himself from their sins. So could we.

These are false teachers who teach false doctrine. They teach a different Jesus and a different gospel.

Who do you think God views as the worst of the worst? Abortionists? Homosexuals? Adulterers? Hitler? Pol Pot? False teachers? Who?

You may see who that is in the book of Jude:

Jude verses 12-13 says that the blackest darkness has been reserved _forever_ for false teachers.

That's because they misrepresent the Sovereign God and His gospel of grace, *alone / apart from* works. They mix in, and teach for doctrine, the commandments (works and traditions) of men.

In light of the book of Jude, why don't we see professing Christians out there stomping around protesting against the the above-described false teachers like they do against abortionists, homos, etc., huh?

I guess, unlike God, they just don't think believing or teaching false ideas about Him and his purposes is any "biggie".

251 posted on 12/30/2001 4:36:45 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
Kenneth Copeland overtly mocks those who do not believe in his metaphysical concept of faith. Likewise, he mocks those who believe that Jesus atoned for our sins on the cross, and he makes it very clear that Jesus Christ did not atone for our sins on the cross...that he was a satanic being on the cross, that he had to go to hell to be *born again* in hell. He says satan conquered Jesus on the cross.

Oh goodie who's I hate all churches but my own web site did this dribble come from?

255 posted on 12/30/2001 5:00:52 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Matchett-PI
If I were you, and I realize that I am not, I would be very careful about who I criticized. I have never heard any of the ministers whom you accuse of saying these things actually teaching such.

Just as David would not touch Saul's garment while recognizing God's annointing on him so should we be extremely discerning about those we criticize. What I mean by discerning is leaning NOT unto our OWN understanding and fleshly interpretations but only by what the Holy Spirit teaches and shows us.

I, too, would require you to provide evidence of these teachings. Not proof from another's website discounting these ministers as heretics or false teacher's but 1. proof that each of these persons have actually said what you claim they do and 2. that their teachings in absolute context to their entire messages, from which these statements are derived, are indeed contrary to what the Word of God says.

The reason that I would require proof is that without it you are merely slandering those who teach in a capacity that is possibly above your ability to grasp. IOW, they have reached a spiritual maturity that is above that of your own. I cannot and will not merely accept your argument because you say it is so.

286 posted on 12/30/2001 7:26:38 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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