Posted on 12/18/2001 5:07:16 PM PST by Map Kernow
We are all basically highly complex machines, and even the most sophisticated and gifted artisans among us have yet to achieve that level of intricate and knowledgeable technology.
The author of the plan is known, the hypothosis you post is most definitely not part of it.
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Why not?
First things first. If you want to take back the chain of causation beyond a "designer," creator or what you will, be my guest.
It's just that a "still, small voice" is telling me you don't even want to take that first step.
Great! More Christmas cards to send out.
Are they talking about Democrats?
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe in the Creator/designer/God. But I also believe in science (though I'm a thorough-going skeptic of standard evolution theory). I look for challenges to my faith, I don't try to run away from them. And you know what? They've pretty consistently wound up confirming or increasing my faith.
If you suggest that the high degree of complexity associated with life, necessitates a designer.
Then wouldn't a designer (who would clearly be even more highly ordered than his creation) need to have been created by an even more complex and ordered designer?
Who created the creator?
I think you're being dismissive, because you have no answer to the question, and don't wish to confront it honestly.
Pardon me if I made the wrong assumption about the premise of your question. But I think my original point stands--we can posit a "creator for the creator" and a "designer for the designer" back in an infinite chain of causation, but until you're willing to make that very first link between life and a designer, it's a moot point.
But you have made the first link between life, and a designer. And in fact, you appear (at least to me) to be suggesting that the complexity of life suggests to you, that a designer is requisite.
And so I'm asking YOU (who have made the link) how you can suggest that a designer is requisite to explain the complexity of life, but that the even greater complexity of the designer himself, doesn't require a designer?
What is your explanation?
EXACTLY!
[alloysteel]We are all basically highly complex machines, and even the most sophisticated and gifted artisans among us have yet to achieve that level of intricate and knowledgeable technology.
As Dr. Doom pointed out, think free market. If you look at the history of any modern industry or marketplace or economy, chances are nobody ever sat down & designed it. It evolved, probably haphazardly & unexpectedly, from much simpler beginnings. Yet in some ways an industry or economy is just as amazing in its complexity & efficiency & resilience (what a combination!) as the very best designed individual machines, or most ordinary living organisms.
(Ironically, the only economies I know about that were explicitly designed are the Communist economies. And we know how well they turned out!)
You are stuck in 4 dimensions. If indeed there is a creator, it would be safe to assume He exists outside of space and time. The Big bang indicates there was a "time" when there was no space and time.
You can get a pretty good answer to that question from The Touchstone of LIFE by Werner R. Loewenstein.
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