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Maybe if I thought football was a fairy game to play with flags and guys in pink dresses I would agree with you. But the fact is they dont....its a rough game and the MAJORITY of the people who go and see football games are middle class Americans who like it because of its roughness and its masculine nature. So the fans got out of hand and threw some bottles because they wanted to hear the right call and werent hearing it....that doesnt mean that they were unruly and were trying to start a riot. Listen I am sick of arguing with you guys about this because it is completely being blown out of proportion. Also saying the fans did this because they were all drunk is an overstatement in itself...if I was at the game and I was drinking a coke I still might of thrown it at these dumba***s. Look I am not going to change your mind obviously and you arent going to change my mind. But I would like to say in closing if this would have happened in Pittsburgh that our fans here would have done the same thing.(which was voice our opinion for the RIGHT result)

Maybe if I thought football was a fairy game to play with flags and guys in pink dresses I would agree with you.

I don't dare ask what your idea of "a fairy game to play with flags and guys in pink dresses." But my idea of a game is a balance between brains and body, between mind and acute skill, upholding the primacy of the individual as the critical element in the whole, the team. (See: baseball.) A balance rather shockingly absent in the Cleveland game Sunday and in football period, from where I sit.

But the fact is they dont....its a rough game and the MAJORITY of the people who go and see football games are middle class Americans who like it because of its roughness and its masculine nature.

On the assumption that nothing short of a gaggle of human raw meat smashing into each other while one poor sap hopes to avoid being mangled, tangled, and jangled long enough to throw something which isn't even shaped like a proper ball, fer crissakes, or hand off to another designated sap whose business is to avoid being mauled like a boa constrictor by a mongoose, since when do the middle class values presume a licence for presumed adults attending a presumed sporting contest to cross the line between voluminous rooting and hollering to behave like spoiled brats who didn't get their Maypo for breakfast this morning throwing their cereal bowls off the walls? Refer once more to the aforequoted Dick Young passage and call me in the morning.

So the fans got out of hand and threw some bottles because they wanted to hear the right call and werent hearing it....that doesnt mean that they were unruly and were trying to start a riot.

Why not find out where you can sign up to join Al Sharpton's organisation? I understand they're always looking for a few good excusemakers for riots. I'd like to hear the right things said, the right rules handed down, too. And I exercise my right to protest when I do not hear them. But there is a difference between my right to protest and any licence to run amok like a bull with a blunt harpoon shoved into his ass when I do not hear them.

Listen I am sick of arguing with you guys about this because it is completely being blown out of proportion.

I may almost be glad not to have known you when the Los Angeles riots of 1992 struck. Or, the notorious soccer riots.

Also saying the fans did this because they were all drunk is an overstatement in itself...

It is not an overstatement, it is perilously close to making excuses for loutishness. And "loutishness" may indeed prove the most polite word to apply here. It almost doesn't matter what the fans had consumed when they "did this". If they had consumed nothing more than Hostess Twinkies and Snapple grape juice, they would still be guilty and have no legitimate excuse for it.

...if I was at the game and I was drinking a coke I still might of thrown it at these dumba***s.

If a judge in traffic court rules against your side, would you consider yourself thus licenced to throw whatever projectile you saw fit to throw at that dumbass? I say again: I have seen plenty of dumb, dishonest, and deconstructive rulings in plenty of sporting contests, real or alleged, and I have heard thick enough crowds screaming blue murder in the stands over such rulings. But there is a line (and it ain't the 40-yard line) between merely screaming blue murder en masse and throwing projectiles around the stadium or toward the errant arbiters.

Look I am not going to change your mind obviously and you arent going to change my mind.

Regarding the former, I shall sleep in heavenly peace tonight (and every night). Regarding the latter, more is the pity.

But I would like to say in closing if this would have happened in Pittsburgh that our fans here would have done the same thing.(which was voice our opinion for the RIGHT result)

Which means nothing more than that Pittsburgh football fans have it in them to be louts on the level of Cleveland Browns fans. And that both would make a pair of rather pleasant cities resemble the world's largest insane asylums.