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To: innocentbystander; dennisw; mercuria; blam; mafree
re: your 34

That's one of the more memorable posts I've seen on FR, if only because it's not an idea I've ever seen in print or heard in person. Or even thought. The fact that it's a black guy saying it adds a mountain of credibility to your sentiment. (LOL. Actually, it just means that you CAN say it and not get attack by the PC police.)Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that you'd made similar comments elsewhere, glad you came to post it on this one.

As an Average White Guy, I think you're exactly right - it's ultimately the cowed silence of whites that allows JJ and related slime to have the power they do. There's not another "group" in this country that would bend over and take this crap from anyone else. But, there's a quantum leap for whites to get from where they are now to being able to confront the race pimps on even ground. Right now, it's just theoretical musing to assert that whites need to stand up to Jesse.

In order to push back on these guys, there would need be a minimal consensus in public opinion AND in those that stand up that it's a) OK to be white b) OK, if not essential, for whites to think of themselves as a group, and c) OK for these OK for whites to make demands as a group. Compare that to reality and let's all have a dark laugh. Pun intended. Political correctness, urbanization, a complicit education and media establishment...all these things are barriers that ensure none of these conditions will be met any time soon. We are generations away from any serious progress on this front, assuming it will ever happen. And, as you alluded to, Robert Mugabe is just Jesse with an army. That CAN happen here, and a lot of aware whites know it. Blacks, too, obviously. It'll be interesting to see if enough of the aware ones step beyond the lock-and-load mentality to confront the ideologues in the socio-political arena before it comes to Zimbabwe, USA.

Thanks for this post. Great stuff. Bumping the rest of you just cuz.

90 posted on 12/19/2001 1:30:05 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
..it's ultimately the cowed silence of whites that allows JJ and related slime to have the power they do...

To the extent that whites have the power to give/withhold contracts and the like, you are right. However, JJ's real credibility (or lack thereof) as a "black" leader comes from blacks ourselves. If all blacks dealt with JJ the way Rev. Peterson does he wouldn't have a following and would be out there by/for himself. Will more blacks "repudiate" Jackson? Maybe, but most either don't care about him or want him available if they need him to stand up for them if they feel their civil rights are violated.

The real issue, therefore, is not JJ or any other "black leader" but the whole issue of civil rights and how blacks choose to defend them. Most blacks feel that a group strategy at times is needed (right or wrong) to defend civil rights and that's why they are willing to accept "leaders" like JJ and organizations like the NAACP despite their flaws, which are nothing new to the average black person.

(Thanks for the flag)

94 posted on 12/19/2001 7:59:34 AM PST by mafree
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