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...and that is where Madison comes in. Madison, the "father of the constitution," provided Jefferson's voice at the convention as he related many of Jefferson's positions in his own. In addition, constitutional delegates Clymer, Franklin, Gerry, Robert Morris, Read, Sherman, Wilson, and Wythe had all signed the Declaration of Independence.

That is the -lamest- crap I ever heard in my life.

What? The indisputable historical fact that Madison voiced Jefferson's input? Or the indisputable historical fact that several signers of the declaration were also delegates to the constitutional convention? Then again, I suppose you would consider those facts to be "lame crap" since they contradict your intellectually dishonest world view of historical revisionism and agenda-oriented historical selectivity.

Jefferson was a utpoian, a dreamer, and not one given to seeing things the way they are. Madison, on the other hand, was very pragmatic.

So what? The fact is indisputable that Madison acted for Jefferson at that convention. The two corresponded during the convention extensively and Madison based his arguments heavily on the suggestions of Jefferson.

Not that you would care that the two corresponded though, considering that you practice a bizarre concept of selective history in which everything that even remotely suggests agreement with you is indisputable "proof" of your worldview, while that historical evidence in contradiction with your opinion is conscientiously neglected from your consideration.