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To: GOPcapitalist
So stubbornly occupying a fort that is not yours to begin with despite repeatedly friendly attempts to negotiate a turnover in peace, and doing so at a time when that fort also happens to be surrounded by superior military forces makes one great? Sounds to me more like a case of an incredibly bold but also incredibly stupid person.

Somehow I don't think you would have been the best person to have at the Alamo, or Corregidor or Bastogne, or in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Leaving out the parts of your argument that aren't true or proven, leaves only the counsel to appease and surrender to those who have big guns pointed at you.

As another great President once said of a similar federal installation: "We built it, we paid for it, it's ours, and we're going to keep it."

As Jefferson Davis and the Confederate cabinet agonized in Montgomery over whether to attack federal troops in Fort Sumter, Robert Toombs—one of the fiercest secessionists—begged Davis to hold back.

Firing the first shot, Toombs warned, would be "suicide, murder. . . . You will wantonly strike a hornets' nest which extends from mountains to ocean. Legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary. It puts us in the wrong. It is fatal."

Sounds like Toombs was right.

And a Happy Quod Gratis Asseritur Gratis Negatur to all my Latin friends.

330 posted on 12/20/2001 8:09:13 AM PST by x
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To: x
Somehow I don't think you would have been the best person to have at the Alamo, or Corregidor or Bastogne, or in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Faulty analogy. There is a great difference between standing to defend what is yours from an invading foreign army and being that foreign army while trying to defend your encampment on the land of the people you are trying to invade, as was the case at Sumter.

Leaving out the parts of your argument that aren't true or proven

Specifics please.

Firing the first shot, Toombs warned, would be "suicide, murder. . . . You will wantonly strike a hornets' nest which extends from mountains to ocean. Legions now quiet will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary. It puts us in the wrong. It is fatal." Sounds like Toombs was right.

Sure he was. Firing the first shot gives a great psychological message to both sides. Unfortunately, that shot had been actively provoked out of the south by Lincoln, so while the psychological damage was recieved by the south by giving the north a cause to fight, that alone does not make the north in the right.

351 posted on 12/20/2001 2:51:20 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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