Posted on 12/14/2001 10:34:47 PM PST by spycatcher
And you know that it's true because you yourself said that we have been inordinately carefull not to allow stories abotu civilian casualties to surface. Not because we value those lives but because we loathe the political ramifications.
Moral relativism has no place in war. Either we are justified in our actions and are willing to sacrifice our lives for this cause, or we are not.
As I said before, this is not a reflection on our servicement and women. They are inordinately brave for serving under cowards.
Instead we should have sent Holiday greeting cards to the perps stamped with that Islamic stamp that is out, suggesting that it was time to give peace a chance, and make love not war.
Does that about sum it up?
Well, gee, dog...it's been all over the news. Haven't you been watching? Oh, that's right, you don't watch TV. Well, just to bring you up to speed, it worked like this:
1. We initially took out the enemy's MILITARY air defences by bombing anti-aircraft installations;
2. Then we sent in Special Forces to help guide our computerized munitions to other MILITARY targets;
3. Then we used those same Special Forces (who btw, are on the ground in harms way) to obliterate all the MILITARY targets on our lists:
4. Then we sent in the Marines to take airports and such with explicit orders (according to news reports) to minimize civilian casulties;
4. Then we...oh never mind.
All the while, trying to alleviate some of the hunger and misery with our air drops, which are continueing. Yup, we have "total disregard for human life".
However, were this not the case, then I would expect that our actions would be justified and the matter of civilian casualties would not be one of politics but of the just execution of the war.
The only concern now is wheher or not it "looks good" or not. That is the extent of our transparent concern.
Yes. Because then the constitution would be at least respected. And Congress would have had to debate and discuss the necessity for war and have declared war against a nation rather than an idea.
It may come as a shock to you but the constitution is important to me.
That is the most pathetic bunch of psuedo-intellectual gobblygook I've seen come from you. Get this you pitiful ideolog:
This fight is about self-defense - the right to exist and maintain our way of life. Remember 9/11? Huh? Do you? Well, that day gave us the right to go after those SOB's in any way we like. Now you may not believe in self-defense unless it's a fair fight, but those of us who have traveled the world staring the bad guys in the face, know you do what it takes to win...or they WILL kill us.
Straight up: Would you rather have our fathers, sons, and brothers dying on the ground then working with the NA who have been itching to take back their country for a long time?
I agree with point 1, which is that almost any article by world nut daily or debka is a load of crap. But I don't think you can say that china is our friend. They are neither friend nor foe, they exist to better themselves. If we are in the way, they will try to roll us over, if we are on their side, they will take us along for the ride. Finally, I think Canada is statistically our most active trading partner. China comes in 4th behind Canada, Mexico and Japan. If you consider the EU a single entity instead of a bunch of little countries the size of maryland, then china comes in 5th.
Pulleaze....
You're reaching now. And I do believe there has been collateral damage. But it's pretty clear to reasonable people who have been following the reports and to the military Freepers on these threads, that we are being "particularly carefull".
Of course it's a dead end. A dead end for tyrants. If they had to abide by the constitution then 100% of the military actions we've taken in the last 50 years would be forbidden.
The restrictions are there for a reason. If you take the political risk of declaring war and executing that war, then you should accept responsibility for your actions.
Subverting the consitution is wrong and there is no justification for it.
Okay, that did it for me. Go stick your head back in one of those books from the "Geo-political Theoretical Ideology Boob of the Month Club" and let us men defend you and your family. Bye.
I am comfortable with the decision. I'm sad that innocent Afgans have and may still pay the price. I for one, do not know what else we could have done short of doing nothing to prevent the deaths. This is the unfortunate and shamefull part of war and we will forever carry this burdon of guilt.
That will make about as much sense for Russia as the sheep making an alliance with the wolves because they dislike the border collies. Russia is facing over a billion Chinese to the East and a billion Muslims to the South, all enviously coveting Russia's territory and resources. There is absolutely no reason at this point why Russia and the US shouldn't be friends, but they need us far worse than we need them. If the Russians side with the Chinese against us, they will be sealing their own national doom.
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