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To: wyopa
What difference does it make whether there is evidence, let alone proof, of a gay gene? The issue for religious-right zealots is whether or not gayness is a choice. You insist that it is. It is self-evident that you are wrong for anyone with a mind willing to think. Would 10% or even 5% of the population choose to be a hated, despised, and feared minority? Would they make this *choice* at an age where most of their peers are seeking to conform to some accepted clique or image?

Biologists are not needed to prove that gayness is not a choice. You are qualified. Just ask any gay person, then ask another and another. Oh let me guess. Each and every one of the perverse, perverted heathens will LIE.

You people really need to get over it. Some people are gay. Always have been. Always will be. Since the fall of communism, the far-right elevated gay people to public enemy number one.
25 posted on 12/13/2001 1:12:03 PM PST by freemind2
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To: freemind2
Would 10% of even 5% of the population choose to be a hated, despised & feared minority

I'm not Mormon, but I'm the descendent of a polygamous (3 wives, 19 kids) Mormon bishop...especially @ that time, Mormons were looked down upon & certainly the govt. frowned upon polygamy, refusing to give the Utah Territory statehood until it dealt w/that issue. So am I thereby to conclude that these men "chose" to have a multiple partnership orientation? Or do you argue on their behalf that it was innate/genetic? (Why would they "choose" to have multiple wives w/different sex partners every night when they were a hated, despised & feared minority in part because of that?). Dumb question, eh? (Yes, Lust ruled the day among that religious group then just as it rules the day in homosexual & heterosexual circles alike!).

29 posted on 12/13/2001 1:26:25 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: freemind2
Would 10%

Oh, stop using this lame, unsubstantiated stat. Even the University of Chicago 8-9 yrs. ago--even Planned Parenthood--concedes that the homosexual population is only 1-2%...though it has been true for a number of years that the number of teens who claim to be homosexual has been rising.

33 posted on 12/13/2001 1:30:16 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: freemind2
%of the population choose to be a hated, despised, & feared minority?

So, based upon this argument, I'm also to conclude that hated, despited & feared sexual orientation minority folks like pedophiles are also born that way (sexually attracted to children)? Since according to your logic, no one would "choose" to be hated & despised of their own innate character choices (which is what all sexual activity is)?

So, when UC Berkeley kicked out Mr. A. Martinez in the 92-93 schoolyear because he attended classes in the nude (& no one wanted to sit in "the seat" because he had sat there in the previous class) I am to conclude that he was born that way? Bingo. I guess he was! Mr. Martinez, the dude with the exhibitionist sexual orientation, really WAS born that way (as we all were)! Besides the obvious birthday suit, your logic proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Martinez wouldn't have endured such scorn even from the most liberal of college campuses had he really had a "choice."

Why doesn't the gay community become advocates for these kinds of persecuted folk? Why don't they advocate that ALL students on EVERY campus be allowed to not hide their sexual orientation in the closet...they should be allowed to attend classes in the nude! And we know, as I said, that God made 100% of us exhibitionists! (We all have that repressed urge to let it all hang out...most of us tend to wait until we step into our vaporized closet, otherwise known as the shower!)

37 posted on 12/13/2001 1:38:38 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: freemind2
Would 10% or even 5% of the population choose to be a hated, despised, and feared minority?

Yes. Some people are just desperate for attention. Some people like to live a "cutting edge" lifestyle, even if they know that it will kill them.
59 posted on 12/13/2001 2:32:22 PM PST by NatureGirl
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