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To: realpatriot71
You see a personal attack is NOT an argument.

Perhaps you should take heed from yourself and stop calling Dane an "idiot" (your words).

As to the Founding Fathers, they'd be on my side.

You guys hate when this is brought up but I must. State sodomy laws. That is all that need to be said. Fully supported by our founders. You, sir, have been shot down.

. I support the inalienable rights of the individual to do what they want with their property, their bodies.

As do I, but your defense of HARD drugs means that you also support the individuals right to put at risk those around him/her.

In fact, God is Libertarian.

You have been talking to Uriel haven't you?lol

God tells us that the government is here to punish those that do evil. Now I will agree with you that things that are simply immoral yet not a violation of others' rights should not be illegal, however, consuming hard drugs violates the rights of those around you.

174 posted on 12/13/2001 9:58:00 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
See, not that's much better. Something we can discuss.

Perhaps you should take heed from yourself and stop calling Dane an "idiot" (your words).

He obviously is an idiot. Do you really think differently? In fact when I called him an idiot it was not directly to him nor was it in refutation of one of him silly little arguments. I did not use the ad homenem as an argument. See the difference?

You guys hate when this is brought up but I must. State sodomy laws. That is all that need to be said. Fully supported by our founders. You, sir, have been shot down.

Ok, I see, because the Founding Fathers were homophobes, that means they would not support the inalienable rights of people to do with their own property, their bodies as they please. You're going to have to put together the logical extension of that thought before I'll admit to being "shot down". As to the Founding Father's homophobia, let see your source. :-)

As do I, but your defense of HARD drugs means that you also support the individuals right to put at risk those around him/her.

No I don't support anyone putting anyone at risk. That is an iniation of force against the natural rights of another, and should therefore be punished. However, the intrusion of the government into the right to property of the individual who has not iniated force against another is itself an iniation of force against the law abiding individual. You put forth that those who do drugs, always harm others. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and you cannot show that every time a person uses drugs that they iniated force against someone else's natural rights. Prosecute those who are not responsible and leave alone those who are. Simple as that. A good example is alcohol. We let those who do not bother other people drink, but if you drink and drive, you go to jail.

God tells us that the government is here to punish those that do evil.

Yes.

consuming hard drugs violates the rights of those around you.

You have yet to show how this happens in every circumstance.

190 posted on 12/13/2001 10:14:23 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Texaggie79
One last point and I'll leave you alone, this thread looks about dead anyway.

After the civil war, when morphine and herion were first developed, do you know what the second leading cause of addiction was, after pain treatment for amputations and such? The doctors thought it would be a good treatment for alcoholism.

474 posted on 12/14/2001 7:57:03 AM PST by steve50
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