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To: ambrose
Since Pi is an infinitesimal number there is no exact square root, just as there is no exact number for Pi.

However we can get close enough for government work, or any other for that matter.

16 posted on 12/08/2001 2:32:18 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog
However we can get close enough for government work

You of course realize that "close enough for government work" would also include Pi denial. What Pi? ...never happened.

44 posted on 12/08/2001 2:52:38 PM PST by Zon
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To: yarddog
Since Pi is an infinitesimal number there is no exact square root, just as there is no exact number for Pi.

Infinitesimal? I think the word you were looking for was "transcendental".

67 posted on 12/08/2001 3:08:14 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: yarddog
"Since Pi is an infinitesimal number there is no exact square root..."

Is it possible that you mean Irrational? :-)

87 posted on 12/08/2001 3:28:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: yarddog
Since Pi is an infinitesimal number there is no exact square root, just as there is no exact number for Pi.

No, it is not infintesimal. It is irrational.

Proof:

Suppose, by way of contradiction, that is rational. Then must also be rational. Thus where a,b Z, b 0. Since , it follows that there exists an M > 0 such that if n M, , or .

Choose an integer N M. It follows then that . Define a polynomial . Expanding the polynomial one finds that , where each is an integer. For integers k such that , one also finds that . Now notice that since and . Now suppose this is true for an integer k, i.e. . Now

.

So the formula is true for all nonnegative integers by the principle of mathematical induction. Now for values of k such that each term in the expansion of and . Now for values of k such that the only term which does not contain a positive integer power of x is the first. This is the case when n=k. This means that , an integer since . It follows then that , also an integer.

Now define another function

.

It now follows that and are both integers and thus that is an integer. Now define . It follows then that

.

.

Now

, and so

. Also

.

Notice that since f(x) is a polynomial of degree 2N, for all x. Thus

. So

.

Now since g(x) is continuous on , and exists on , by the Mean Value Theorem, there exists a c such that . Now , and

. So , and thus

.

.

Since and also 0 < 1-c < 1. Since , it follows that .

It now follows that and so . Since is an integer, there must exist an integer between 0 and 1.

Thereby, reaching a contradiction, the theorem is proved. Q.E.D.

216 posted on 12/08/2001 8:46:35 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: yarddog
"However we can get close enough for government work, or any other for that matter."

Heck, close enought for gov't work would be ...oh...like... 12?

271 posted on 12/09/2001 7:23:39 AM PST by lawdude
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To: yarddog
Since Pi is an infinitesimal number there is no exact square root, just as there is no exact number for Pi.

Public school?

287 posted on 12/09/2001 10:06:21 AM PST by Poincare
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To: yarddog
Ism't that transcendent number?
294 posted on 12/09/2001 5:11:27 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: yarddog
Its an irrational number, so it belongs to the democratic party, not an infinate decimal number.
305 posted on 06/28/2002 7:16:13 PM PDT by MrNeutron1962
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To: yarddog
" However we can get close enough for government work, or any other for that matter."

Conceive a sphere constructed with the earth at it center, and imagine it surface to pass through Sirius, which is 8.8 light years distant from the earth... Then imagine this enormous sphere to be so packed with microbes that in every cubic millimeter millions and millions of these diminutive animalcula are present. Now conceive these microbes to be unpacked and so distributed singly along a straight line that every two microbes are as far distant from each other as Sirius is from us... Conceive the long line thus fixed by all the microbes at the diameter of a circle, and imagine its circumference to be calculated by multiplying it diameter by Pi to 100 decimal places. Then, in the case of a circle of this enormous magnatude even, the circumference so calculated would not vary from the real circumference by a millionth part of a millimeter. This example will suffice to show that the calculation of Pi to 100 or 500 decimal places is wholly useless. - Hermann Schubart, A mathematics professor from Hamburg, Germany in 1889

314 posted on 06/30/2002 3:55:37 PM PDT by Aurelius
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