Posted on 12/07/2001 1:46:46 PM PST by Patriot
Developing......
I'm sorry, but that is an incorrect statement. By the time you become infective, you WILL know you are sick. You may not be bedridden yet, but belive me, you cannot miss the oral lesions.
Yes, exactly. Thank you.
The point is about the question of transmission without obvious symptoms -- the pox or incapacitation and the answer is yes.
That would be after symptoms in most cases, such as fever, but not always, but not the obvious small pox symptoms.
Your thinking, symptoms - aches, fever, mucosal rash.
We are thinking, symptoms -- pox on the body starting to break out.
In the context of a small pox epidemic, the early signs would be understood.
But currently, some people would think they are under the weather, maybe achy with the flu and still go about their business.
http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v281n22/ffull/jst90000.html#a5
The lesions that first appear in the mouth and pharynx ulcerate quickly because of the absence of a stratum corneum, releasing large amounts of virus into the saliva.22 Virus titers in saliva are highest during the first week of illness, corresponding with the period during which patients are most infectious. Although the virus in some instances can be detected in swabs taken from the oropharynx as many as 5 to 6 days before the rash develops,22 transmission does not occur during this period.
No sir.
See my above.
Nothing I have said has been inaccurate.
No prob. I'm no expert, by any means. Besides, someone will probably come along and correct us. I think we're all still learning. :-)
From JAMA:
Historically, the rapidity of smallpox transmission throughout the population was generally slower than for such diseases as measles or chickenpox. Patients spread smallpox primarily to household members and friends; large outbreaks in schools, for example, were uncommon. This finding was accounted for in part by the fact that transmission of smallpox virus did not occur until onset of rash. By then, many patients had been confined to bed because of the high fever and malaise of the prodromal illness. Secondary cases were thus usually restricted to those who came into contact with patients, usually in the household or hospital.
You said in a freep mail to me:
It can be spread before pox appear and by aerosol means and that is what people want to know.
That is completely incorrect. I have now give 5 different references that state the same thing
I pointed out it can be passed via aerosol route, correcting an impression that it had to be after pox appeared. You confirmed it.
You go on to say that at that stage there will be a concommittant oral mucosal rash.
No argument or disagreement.
Now you seem to be saying there will be obvious skin lesions before theire is contagiousness.
You are all over the board.
There are two extremes, one that tries to scare people. The other that tries to downplay.
You seem to be doing the latter.
Let's try a different tratc because I think we are simply miscommunicating.
Is it possible that a person could infect another, prior to skin pox or skin rash, without knowing he has been infected with small pox?
I'm not asking without knowing they are sick. I'm not asking how likley it would be. Just is it possible and has it happened in the past.
Well, no. I'm not 'saying' that flight 93 was shot down. I'm saying there are people who are saying such. Like how could the plane just crash land and blow the tail section 6 miles away and strew wreckage over such a large area.
Me? I have no idea if such a thing is possible. I'm just your basic skeptic, through and through (with no apologies for that).
I have no idea what you are getting at. Instead of asking me, why don't you read all of the references (JAMA, CDC, Johns Hopkins, etc) for the answers to your questions.
Here are the facts. After infection, the incubation period is 7-17 days, but is almost always 12. Following that, the patient will experience a high fever, general malaise, and severe muscle aches, usually rendering the patient bedridden. The prodromal phase usually last 2-3 days, in which they are not contagious. After that, the rash begins to form. Usually the rash begins to form in the oral mucosa and throat, then spreading to the skin. At the point the rash begins to form in the mouth, the disease is contagious, and for the first week afterwards it is at it's most contagious.
So I guess your answer would be, no.
Links:
The description of the lesions first showing up on the head and extremities before moving to the trunk sounded a lot like the case of Chickenpox I had about nine years ago. I think I almost looked as bad as that picture someone else posted on this thread.
All I can say is that anyone stupid enough to cultivate smallpox as a weapon is definitely stupid enough to try to use it. If they do, I'd definitely support using a nuke to take out the lab or warehouse that produced and stored it, just to be sure it was good and dead. A little one ought to do.
Gamma
As another poster wrote, honor the threat.
Gamma
Flight Quarantined in Seattle News/Current Events Source: NorthWest Cable News Author: KING5.Com Posted on 12/7/01 4:19 PM Pacific by cascademountaineer
SEATTLE - Passengers on board a 747 flight from Taipei, were held on the plane at Sea-Tac International Airport for more than an hour after an anonymous tip claimed that one passenger had smallpox.
Health officials investigated and determined that the main was not showing signs of the disease and therefore, could not be contagious even if he had been infected.
By 3:45 p.m., all of the remaining 156 passengers had been allowed to leave the plane after health officials collected their information in case they need to follow up with them.
The passenger alleged to have smallpox may be quarantined for safety, but health officials said they did not believe he had the disease.
Officials say the threat was given to U.S. Customs officials in New York. The plane, EVA Flight 32 to Newark, New Jersey, with a scheduled stop in Seattle, has been quarantined as a precaution, and none of the plane's 157 passengers or 14 crew members are being allowed off.
Port of Seattle and Seattle Fire Department crews helped federal officials search the plane to detect if anything was suspicious or awry. Health officials and an interpreter was also on the scene
If I remember correctly, didn't they find box cutters in the trash from at least one plane that had been grounded?
Gamma
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