[Jim Robinson]

The father commited no crime and his idealogy was not part of the problem. The main problem was time and distance and custody and that was being worked out in court. The child was here and being cared for. There was no emergency or abuse involved. The hearing was scheduled and the whole thing would've been cleared up by a Judge according to his best ability to interpret the laws involved. There was no reason to use midnight police raids and deadly force. Had anyone on either side got itchy fingers that night there would've been a bloodbath. Of all people, you would think that Janet Reno would've already learned that lesson, after having burned scores of people to a crisp at Waco.

[thusevertotyrants]

well, I dont know about you, but anytime someone is continuing to keep my child from me , a father who has not violated the law, despite my repeated appeals for his return, then an abuse has been committed and there is in fact an emergancy .. The Feds actions at Waco, tho done under the pretext of benefit for the children in the compund, were wrong. The Feds actions at Ruby Ridge were wrong. Elian's extended family, tho noble in intent, were wrongful in their mode of conducting themselves