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Y'know, you guys (generallizing) talk about libertarians wearing tin caps.... Look at the bigger picture! Yes, there could be worse presidents than GW. But... Never mind, I'm not about to convert anyone here. There are some great patriots who post on this site who make great arguments. Alas, I'm not one of them. I'll just sit by the wayside and watch and learn. I am a true patriot though in that I care about this country. I served for 12 years in the army proudly. I am not naieve anymore though. Best wishes to all of you. BTW, I did choke up a little (accidentally in a fantasy world) when I first heard about "it" by a guy calling in to the Black Avenger today on the radio. I'm only human, and imperfect at that...