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To: BibChr
Now, this is news to me. Moslems believe that God is one in essence, and eternally exists in three distinct Persons -- Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Moslems believe that salvation can be enjoyed only through believing in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord? Moslems believe that we are saved by grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ alone? Moslems believe that the Bible alone is His verbal self-revelation?

No, Muslims believe in one, unique, incomparable God, Who has no son nor partner, and that none has the right to be worshipped but Him alone. He is the true God, and every other deity is false. He has the most magnificent names and sublime perfect attributes. No one shares His divinity, nor His attributes. In the Quran, God describes Himself:

Say, “He is God, the One. God, to Whom the creatures turn for their needs. He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none like Him.” (Quran, 112:1-4)

No one has the right to be invoked, supplicated, prayed to, or shown any act of worship, but God alone.

God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, the Sovereign, and the Sustainer of everything in the whole universe. He manages all affairs. He stands in need of none of His creatures, and all His creatures depend on Him for all that they need. He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing, and the All-Knowing. In a perfect manner, His knowledge encompasses all things, the open and the secret, and the public and the private. He knows what has happened, what will happen, and how it will happen. No affair occurs in the whole world except by His will. Whatever He wills is, and whatever He does not will is not and will never be. His will is above the will of all the creatures. He has power over all things, and He is able to do everything. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, and the Most Beneficent.

In one of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad , we are told that God is more merciful to His creatures than a mother to her child. God is far removed from injustice and tyranny. He is All-Wise in all of His actions and decrees. If someone wants something from God, he or she can ask God directly without asking anyone else to intercede with God for him or her.

God is not Jesus, and Jesus is not God. Even Jesus himself rejected this. God has said in the Quran:

Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his home is the Fire (Hell). For the wrongdoers, there will be no helpers.” (Quran, 5:72)

God is not a trinity. God has said in the Quran:

Indeed, they disbelieve who say, “God is the third of three (in a trinity),” when there is no god but one God. If they desist not from what they say, truly, a painful punishment will befall the disbelievers among them. Would they not rather repent to God and ask His forgiveness? For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more than a messenger... (Quran, 5:73-75)

Islam rejects that God rested on the seventh day of the creation, that He wrestled with one of His angels, that He is an envious plotter against mankind, or that He is incarnate in any human being. Islam also rejects the attribution of any human form to God. All of these are considered blasphemous. God is the Exalted. He is far removed from every imperfection. He never becomes weary. He does not become drowsy nor does he sleep.

The Arabic word Allah means God (the one and only true God who created the whole universe). This word Allah is a name for God, which is used by Arabic speakers, both Arab Muslims and Arab Christians. This word cannot be used to designate anything other than the one true God. The Arabic word Allah occurs in the Quran more than 2150 times. In Aramaic, a language related closely to Arabic and the language that Jesus habitually spoke, God is also referred to as Allah.

57 posted on 11/29/2001 12:48:04 PM PST by EclipseVI
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To: EclipseVI
Whoa, you just slipped that new reply in on me. Maybe you are up to the challenge.
60 posted on 11/29/2001 12:52:05 PM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: EclipseVI
“God is the third of three (in a trinity),”

I believe that the Quran is wrong on this point. We don't say that God is one of the three. God is each of the three, and each of the three is God. God is one, and that one is manifested in three ways. God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. Perhaps if this were better understood in the 700s, we'd get along better.

To be fair, it took Christians a while to really understand this too.

61 posted on 11/29/2001 12:59:26 PM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: EclipseVI
Thanks for a full reply.

Leaving aside the falseness of your statements, leaving aside your misrepresentation of Christianity, leaving aside the self-refuting nature of your position —

— you just proved the fallacy of your statement that Moslems and Christians pray to the same God!

I'm talking to a guy and I say, "Do you know Bob?" He says "Yes." I say, "Describe him." He says, "About 4'6", 300 pounds, red hair, peg leg, parrot on his shoulder, and only three teeth." I say, "No no, that's not Bob. Bob is 6'1", slim, black hair, good-looking guy, has all his teeth." The other guy says, "Same guy."

No, he's not.

And you don't pray to the same God.

Moslems do "do" honesty, don't they?

Dan
Statement of Faith

74 posted on 11/29/2001 1:35:54 PM PST by BibChr
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To: EclipseVI
Why then are words such as this written in the Koran: "The resurrection of the dead will not come until the Muslims will war with the Jews and the Muslims will kill them; the trees and rocks will say, "O Muslim, O Abdullah, here is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." "Taste ye Jews the punishment of burning." "Oh ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends." "The most vehement of mankind in hostility are the Jews and the idolators." "Fight against such of those (Jews and Christians) until they pay for the tribute readily, being brought low." "Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skihat they may taste the torment." And on and on ad nausem. Islam is a gutter religion. The Koran is a work of pornography. Muslims only want to destroy...never build. I wish all Muslims would leave our Christian country.
90 posted on 11/29/2001 2:29:00 PM PST by vikingcelt
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To: EclipseVI
God is not Jesus, and Jesus is not God. Even Jesus himself rejected this.

When did He reject this? Please do expound.

200 posted on 11/29/2001 7:22:05 PM PST by agrace
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To: EclipseVI
You cite the Quran as if normal people should pay attention to it and ignore a thousand years of savage and degraded history. Surprise. You could be citing Harry Potter's spells from Hogwart's with equal validity.

You can repeat and elaborate the details of your paranoid delusional system a million times, but that will never make it true.

287 posted on 11/30/2001 8:46:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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