Major Terrorist Attack in Wadi Ara Area – Large Bomb

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[RCW2001]

21:14 Nov-29-01, 14 Kislev 5762 Major Terrorist Attack in Wadi Ara Area – Large Bomb Explodes on Passenger Bus

(IsraelNationalNews.com) A powerful explosive device exploded a short time ago on an Egged passenger bus in the Wadi Ara area, at the intersection known as “Machane 80”.

There appear to be dead and injured. Additional confirmed details will be published as they become available.

[mancini]

May the Lord bring justice and mercy.

And His sword.

[BenF]

Unfortunately, they don't have Pope that can give some kind of pseudo-official statement on the matter on behalf of Islam, and is no one in the American Muslim community who claims to speak for all Muslims in the way that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton claim to speak for all blacks.

I have heard any number of Muslim clerics denounce the attack on the WTC. Of course, they could have done that to avoid having righteous Americans beat the crap out of their congregants. I have not heard these same Muslim clerics denounce any violence against Jews. Hence, it is relatively safe to come to the conclusion that they don't object to violence against Jews. Accordingly, Group A = Group B for all intents and purposes.

[BenF]

My thoughts and prayers are for the dead, wounded, and their families and friends.

How many dead Jews will it take for people to wake up?

[BenF]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/580403/posts

What does this do for your "image" of Israel?

[Darth Reagan]

Yet Muslims who aren't terrorists or supporters of them would argue that the Koran does not endorse the killing of Jews and Christians, but that those who believe it does are misunderstanding context. It sounds like you interpret the Koran in the same way that the Al Queda does, but not in the way that, say, Turkey does.

I'm certainly no expert on the Koran, so who am I to argue with Muslims about what the Koran really means, especially when Muslims don't all agree with what it means. They certainly don't all agree with your posted interpretation.

[eno_]

Pedantry.

Those 1 billion Moslems live in hell-holes because their religion and culture have led them down that path. Not every religion deserves to continue to exist. Many have disappeared, and Islam may yet be one of them.

[Darth Reagan]

You may be right, and the very nature of many religions is that they believe the are the only correct way to salvation and everyone else is wrong. Thus, with good Christian charity, if we really care about our fellow man, we should see to it that they hear the good news and find salvation through Jesus Christ. Of course, this means converting Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shitos, Taoists, etc. Luckily, we stopped using the sword to do this quite a while ago. In Islam, there are still too many who use the sword.

[Recovering_Democrat]

PATRICK LEAHY DEMANDS FAIR & IMPARTIAL TRIAL FOR BOMBER

In an unprecedented move, moments after a murderous terrorist blew up a bus in Northern Israel, Socialist Senator Patty Lay-He of Vermont came stumbling out of his Washington office, shirt tail out, and mumbled a few words to the press about how the suspect had "damn well better not be put to trial in a tribunal."

Lay-He then coughed up a hairball and zig zagged his way to his chaueffered limousine.

[AAABEST]

I appreciate your posts, but your argument that all religions are the same thing in different clothing is well intentioned, but incorrect.

Notice that Hindus and Buddhists rarely behave violently in the name of religion. They might light themselves on fire in protest or promote peaceful revolution (as Gandhi did), but the theme isn't "kill the competition". The Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses may be a pain in the neck, but they don't grab a soapbox burning effigies and advocating murder.

The Turks in your example makes my point. In most religions the true heavy hitters who are devout, tend to become more peaceful the deeper they get, while the seculars tend to be more wonton and deviate. In Islam it's just the opposite. The "evangelists" tend to radicalize while the seculars (like the Turks) tend to be more easygoing.

The koran specifically calls for the killing of infidels. Not just in a given situation, as God offered to help the Israelites defeat sworn enemies, but compels them to kill infidels in general.

Sorry, but I have seen very little evidence that Islam is "peaceful" like other religions. Whether it's Farakan or Bin Laden Islam has made itself a problem that it better hope the rest of the world doesn't decide to solve. They should be praying that we don't give them their "holy war".

"Behold, you are with child, And you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has heard your affliction. He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

[Itzlzha]

Darth Reagan's post was as follows...

"Yet Muslims who aren't terrorists or supporters of them would argue that the Koran does not endorse the killing of Jews and Christians, but that those who believe it does are misunderstanding context. It sounds like you interpret the Koran in the same way that the Al Queda does, but not in the way that, say, Turkey does.

I'm certainly no expert on the Koran, so who am I to argue with Muslims about what the Koran really means, especially when Muslims don't all agree with what it means. They certainly don't all agree with your posted interpretation."

May I take this moment to tell you that you are either ignorant or a fool! Let me enlighten you....

Go HERE and use the search function on certain words...like, say the word "JEWS" gives THIS passage from the QuRan...quoted here for those who don't want the link...

" The Dinner Table[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Or maybe from the passage...
"The COW[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers."

Now, can you tell me where the Bible says to slaughter everyone else? I gave you the means, and the quotes...the ACTUAL quotes from their Holy piece of excrement...put up, or shut the F up!

[Darth Reagan]

I don't doubt that there are passages in the Koran that disturb me. There are also Muslims that will say that these passages are either mistranslated or taken out of context. Although they seem pretty clear to me, not all Muslims believe this is the way to act toward Christians and Jews. There are Muslims who do not conduct their lives in accordance with such lines that you have quoted. Perhaps Islam has it's literalists, just as does Christianity and Judaism, and I recognize that Islam's literalists or fundamentalists are more dangerous that ours.

[Darth Reagan]

No, I don't believe that all religions are the same but in different clothing, and I didn't mean to imply that. You're points are well put also, and yes, I agree that Islam has what appear to be doctrinal problems (many more than Christianity and Judaism). My point is simply that not all Muslims are bad and believe that Jews and Christians should be killed. I also agree that American Muslims need better PR, and it really shouldn't come from a North Carolina Christian.