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To: piasa
piasa, your vigilant defense of Jim Rob's private property rights completely ignores the private property rights of the would-be FReeper doner.

The money FReepers might donate is THEIR private property to do with as THEY wish. If they do not wish to donate their money to a forum which subjects them and their friends to draconian censorship, moderator abuse, and Soviet-style banishments, that is THEIR call, and they are perfectly within THEIR rights to withhold both THEIR donations and/or THEIR participation until FR stops systematically abusing its guests.

If more FReepers would exercise THEIR rights, the present draconian "Anonymoderator" regime could not long stand.

777 posted on 11/29/2001 12:40:29 AM PST by Arator
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To: Arator
piasa, your vigilant defense of Jim Rob's private property rights completely ignores the private property rights of the would-be FReeper doner.

Bull. My position is wholly on the side of ALL property rights; yours is the one that tries to create rights where none exist. By definition, donors don't HAVE property rights over what happens to their property once they GIVE it to someone else. You don't have a right to dictate to grandma that she has to use the electric blanket you gave her. If she gives it to your brother that's too bad, it was hers to give. Once you give blood, you don't have a right to dictate to whom it goes, unless you have a contract that says it is for someone specific. Once someone gets it, you can't get it back, nor can you tell them to quite smoking. The blood is then theirs, not yours.

The donated money becomes someone else's property the very minute you hand it over. If you don't want to lose your right to control your money, you keep it in a mason jar or savings account. Then, it is YOURS. Give it to someone else and it becomes THEIRS. If you want strings attached on how your money is used, make the person to whom you donate sign YOUR contract agreeing to YOUR terms, or don't give them money. This is not a complicated concept.

The money FReepers might donate is THEIR private property to do with as THEY wish.

That's right. But it is their property only so long as it is in their posession.

If they do not wish to donate their money to a forum which subjects them and their friends to ...blah blah blah... that is THEIR call, and they are perfectly within THEIR rights to withhold both THEIR donations and/or THEIR participation until FR stops systematically abusing its guests.

YES, That's right. Now what is it that confuses you? They don't have to donate to any forum that is not run the way they want it to be run. This forum is not run the way you want it to be run. So GO AWAY. Do not donate. Instead, use your money to create your own forum, or donate to those who will do things your way. You have NO RIGHT to demand people run things your way, whether you are a donor, a lurker, or a freeper. You only have a right to keep your money in your pocket. It is your choice to give or not. Your choice, and your 'rights', end there, BEFORE you give.

Don't cry, don't whine, just keep your money, and if you don't enjoy the site, just save some bucks and bug off. You can't force people to take your money AND your orders. If you tip a waitress, you can't dictate to her how to spend the tip. You can only hope that she'll recognize you on another day and do a good job again. At which point, you give her another tip. Hopefully, she'll see you coming next time and you'll be assured of more good service.

If more FReepers would exercise THEIR rights, the present draconian "Anonymoderator" regime could not long stand.

They DO excercise their rights... no one has to give anything. No one can force Jim Rob to give anything either, nor force him to let you be boss. You are excercising your rights by NOT donating. You can excercise even more of those rights by depriving all of us who think you are confused of your company AND your money. That'll teach us. Now DON'T DONATE and GO AWAY, and no one can bother you.

What ticks you off is that you don't want OTHERS to donate THEIR money. You don't want others to excercise their freedom, because when they do, they make you irrelevent because their numerous economic votes beat your lonely vote.

You have deluded yourself into believing that the people who DO donate THEIR money are not excercising their rights. But they ARE excercising their rights every time they decide how to spend.

The only rights people other than Jim Rob and family have regarding FR is in whether we choose to donate or not. We have no other rights here. NONE. We are here only as long as he permits us to be on his property, and he can ask us to leave any time he pleases, whether we brought beer to the party or not. We do not have a right to dictate how the site is run. We do not have a right to dictate to others how to spend their money. We do not have a right to make Jim Rob take our money against his will, nor a right to take his property for a price we dictate. We do not have a right to post on the site at all. We're guests on someone else's property.

It makes you mad that NO ONE cares if you donate or not, because others DO donate, and they do so because they like FreeRepublic.

800 posted on 11/29/2001 1:55:11 AM PST by piasa
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To: Arator
You are a genuine pain in the rear.
1,181 posted on 11/29/2001 6:50:59 AM PST by BADJOE
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