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To: pcl
Your sophistry is very shallow, a clear mark of an inferior intellect. I worry about no one's marriage, least of all my own.

"leave other people's marriages to their own choices?" Like homosexual marriage? That's a matter of civil and church law....not a matter of "leaving [it]to their own choices."

"Since the taboos of which we speack are no longer taboos for the majority, there is something illogical about your statement" Well, I'm not sure what "majority" you're speaking about...but the majority is not, contrary to what YOU may have experienced, running around having sexual activity outside the cultural boundaries. Those who are, are experiencing guilt, which is appropriate, imho. And in some cases, experiencing deadly disease, as with HIV infection.

Of course, you may not be living in a "normal" area, one of the vast majority of areas in this country that voted for a more conservative government than under Clinton. You may not even have a conscience...In that case, we have no argument, because none is possible with the amoral.

410 posted on 12/03/2001 4:07:59 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
Your sophistry is very shallow, a clear mark of an inferior intellect

I am surprised that you choose to argue with a cretan like me. Does this not drag you down to my inferior intellectual level?

411 posted on 12/03/2001 4:22:32 PM PST by pcl
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On the subject of licensing for armor in the truck cabs, the California Vehicle Code covers this in Division 2, Chapter 2.5. Article 2 covers armored cars in particular. It's not a "shall issue" system, where if you meet the requirements they have to give you a license, but rather a "may issue" system. An annual inspection is required.

§2501. The Commissioner of the California Highway Patrol may issue licenses for the operation of privately owned or operated ambulances used to respond to emergency calls, armored cars, fleet owner inspection and maintenance stations, and for the transportation of hazardous material, including the transportation of explosives. Such licenses shall be issued in accordance with the provisions of this chapter and regulations adopted by the commissioner pursuant thereto.

§2510(b) No person shall operate a privately owned emergency ambulance or armored car until the California Highway Patrol has determined that the vehicle is in compliance with this code and regulations adopted by the commissioner.

§2510. (a) A person applying for a license to operate ambulances or armored cars shall provide separate identification data and reports of inspection for each vehicle as prescribed by the commissioner.
(b) No person shall operate a privately owned emergency ambulance or armored car until the California Highway Patrol has determined that the vehicle is in compliance with this code and regulations adopted by the commissioner. Ambulances licensed by the department shall be inspected by the department not less often than once annually.


Section 2540 says "The commissioner may refuse to issue a license to any applicant for the reasons set forth in Section 2531 or 2541." You'd like to think that this means that they can't refuse to issue it for any other reason, and that's true, but their loophole lies in the regulations. Secton 2531 deals with transportation of hazardous materials, and the other reasons that they may use for denial are:

2541. (a) The commissioner may deny a license if the applicant or any partner, officer, or director thereof:
(1) Fails to meet the qualifications established by the department pursuant to this chapter for the issuance of the license applied for.
(2) Was previously the holder of a license issued under this chapter which license has been revoked and never reissued or which license was suspended and the terms of the suspension have not been fulfilled.
(3) Has committed any act which, if committed by any licensee, would be grounds for the suspension or revocation of a license issued pursuant to this chapter.
(4) Has committed any act involving dishonesty, fraud, or deceit whereby another is injured or whereby the applicant has benefited.
(5) Has acted in the capacity of a licensed person or firm under this chapter without having a license therefor.
(6) Has entered a plea of guilty or nolo contendere to, or been found guilty of, or been convicted of, a felony, or a crime involving moral turpitude, and the time for appeal has elapsed or the judgment of conviction has been affirmed on appeal, irrespective of an order granting probation following such conviction, suspending the imposition of sentence, or of a subsequent order under the provisions of Section 1203.4 of the Penal Code allowing such person to withdraw his plea of guilty and to enter a plea of not guilty, or setting aside the plea or verdict of guilty, or dismissing the accusation or information.
(b) The commissioner may also deny a license if a corporation is the applicant and the policy or activities of the corporation are or will be directed, controlled, or managed by individuals or shareholders who are ineligible for a license, and the licensing of that corporation would likely defeat the purpose of this section.

Now, I would assume that the only one that would concievably apply to these folks would be (1), "fails to meet the qualifications." These qualifications for armored cars are detailed in the California Code of Regulations, Title 13, Division 2, Chapter 5, Article 2.

Section 1111 covers the general requirements for armored cars, to wit:

General requirements for issuance or renewal of an armored car license are as follows:
(a) Eligibility for License. A license to operate privately owned armored cars may be issued only to:
(1) Persons or firms regularly hired to transport money or other valuables that require special security
(2) Financial institutions
(3) Armored car dealers or manufacturers
(4) Collectors of vehicles of historic value or special interest and originally designed, manufactured, or equipped as armored cars
(5) Other persons or entities that can show legitimate need.

Obviously, they'd be applying under (5). So given the wording of the law, the issuer gets to determine what a "legitimate need" is. The people in charge of issuing the armored car licenses decided that driving an anti-abortion billboard around on LA freeways didn't constitute a "legitimate need" for armor on the vehicle.

You could take this to court and argue that you DO have a legitimate need, and present evidence to that end, and maybe the judge would agree and maybe not. It'd be a crapshoot, depending on the judge you drew. But the first time someone takes a pot shot at one of these vehicles, their rationale that there's no "legitimate need" for armor goes right out the window and a subsequent denial of an application for a license could undoubtedly be immediately and swiftly overturned in any court.

413 posted on 12/03/2001 4:50:05 PM PST by mvpel
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