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To: Dr.Deth
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized", then (for instance) photo-red traffic cameras would be illegal since there is no accuser?

Well, if the photo-red traffic cameras are in your house....I might agree with you.

As for 'charge property with a crime' I have no clue what you are talking about...
unless it is the forfeiture laws for property used by a person in the commission of a crime.
Been raising a little weed out back, have you?

382 posted on 11/25/2001 1:03:16 PM PST by JD86
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To: JD86
As for 'charge property with a crime' I have no clue what you are talking about...

It was a nifty contrivance during the War On (Some) Drugs to circumvent little things like unlawful search and seizure and the presumption of innocence. Sounded like a good deal at the time, right? Take drug dealers money so they can't hire Johnny Cochran and beat the rap.

I don't need to point you to the seventy-billion threads that provide concrete examples of how these procedures have been used by LEOs to harass, extort, and outright steal from citizens who have nothing to do with drugs, do I? Unintended consequences.

Been raising a little weed out back, have you?

LOL, I love seeing the Stupid Party thought process in action; particularly the automatic link between ardent proponents of { personal freedom | personal responsibility | inalienability of rights } and users of drugs. Constantly trying to legislate the unlegislatable - morality. Really, you can't buttress your argument better than to impugn that I must be either high, a drug dealer, or both?

Hell, you're so cocksure who I am, why don't you go ahead and report me to the DEA while you're at it. You'll illustrate the points made here about the Patriot Act better than I ever could.

I mean, I must be behaving awfully "suspiciously" by not being another bleating sheep expecting nanny.fed.gov to gladly repay next Tuesday the inalienable rights I loan them today.

384 posted on 11/25/2001 1:30:57 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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