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NORTHERN NASTY AND NICE (United Way ranks quality of life: Southern states are the worst)
Providence Journal ^ | 11/22/01 | Robert Whitcomb

Posted on 11/23/2001 5:25:09 AM PST by LarryLied

Despite the "friendly" Sunbelt's purported ease and opportunity, the "unfriendly" North continues by far to have the best quality of life.

The United Way now reports that Minnesota (of which I am genetically half a native, which may undermine the good data here) is the best state, in economic well-being, education, health, civic engagement, safety and the environment. Having visited this Midwest Finland, I am not surprised. And I find New Hampshire's Number 2 rating apt, too, having inhabited that rocky realm of rectitude, responsibility and (usually) reasonableness for four years.

Ditto the others in the top 10: Connecticut (even with Hartford!); Massachusetts; Vermont; Maine; Wisconsin; Iowa; New Jersey, and, yes, even Rhode Island, hardly a state at all!

Meanwhile, the bottom 10 are all in the Sunbelt, the worst New Mexico, and then Louisiana.

Maybe it's mostly the weather. The North's bracing and wildly variable climate energizes people and encourages planning and careful citizenship. And it's probably better for you, because cold is bad for bugs. Even the post-war wave of air-conditioning hasn't let previously soporific Southern schools, offices and factories overcome the North's paradoxical climatic advantage.

And Northerners tend to be less mobile, and so less likely to slide into that appalling anomie in which the American Dream is pursued by folks wandering the roads in search of pots of gold that turn out to be tin, and leaving no forwarding address. But then, it is easier to wander about where the weather is warm. Thus the pervasive trailer parks in the Sunbelt, and enough social problems to make you ask if the Sunbelt's growing national power is a good thing. (Don't show this to my Tennessee relatives.)



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To: FITZ
No one should move to New Mexico so it can stay the way it is, very uncrowded, beautiful mountains and deserts and forests.

And Gore country.

61 posted on 11/23/2001 6:55:48 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: LarryLied
I live in Alabama and I only have one lock and one chain on my front door; I can walk around at night without fear of a drive-by shooting or mugging; my college campus is not filled with professors who advocate killing post-partum children and having sex with animals; the other day my campus dedicated a memorial to the ROTC, without protests from the lefty loonies; people are friendly and helpful here.

Yep, my quality of life is terrible.

62 posted on 11/23/2001 6:56:22 AM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: #3Fan
Bigoted?!? All we're doing is refuting the statement of this article and you call it bigoted??What did I specifically say that was bigoted?Why don't you ask my black(his term) neighbor if he thinks I'm bigoted.
63 posted on 11/23/2001 6:57:13 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: JD86
I love it here and have no plans of ever moving. But after 5+ years of always being asked "What part of the city" you begin to wonder what they are taught (not taught) in school around here.
64 posted on 11/23/2001 6:57:24 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Unfortunately, I don't think Shirley Franklin is going to be much better.
65 posted on 11/23/2001 6:57:43 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: Phantom Lord
You think "sorry couldn't help it" excuses rudeness? Maybe up north but down South is family....we can joke among ourselves....ya'll can't.
66 posted on 11/23/2001 6:58:35 AM PST by JD86
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To: Phantom Lord
Phantom...

I go back far enough that I remember when Long Island was mostly hick potato farmers, and Kennedy airport was a swamp.

Also, upstate NY has more rednecks per square mile than the south ever thought of. The only difference is the yankee rednecks, are ill mannered and have an attitude problem.

That being said, I have lived many places in the US, east to west and north to south and I know all of us damn yankees cannot be so stupid as to move to and love an area that is worse than what we left.

67 posted on 11/23/2001 6:59:04 AM PST by cynicom
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To: epow
I know it.

I hate regulations. People in the Liberal enclaves of California--Marin comes to mind--love them.

They love crotrol and a controlling government.

They don't want just to keep you from blowing smoke in their faces; they want to keep you from smoking at all--just to control you!

They're just like the Taliban! They want to control everything!

I liked it a hell of a lot better when I could do whatever I damn well pleased with my own property--my own body--my own life!

Okay! All you Liberals! Go back where you came from! Better still, go to Afghanistan and join the Taliban. You'll love it! (You'll deserve it too.)

How's that for a rant!

68 posted on 11/23/2001 6:59:44 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Savage Beast
#68 Agree with every word!!!
69 posted on 11/23/2001 7:01:00 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: #3Fan
But it was very close and a lot of cheating went on. Lots of illegals voted.
70 posted on 11/23/2001 7:01:28 AM PST by FITZ
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To: LarryLied
The United Way has become very dominated by the left in the way that "Establishment" institutions do. Their allocation of funds for the September 11 Fund attracted some notice. While there were sizeable payouts to groups representing the actual victims, there were also grants to advocacy organizations that had little to do with the actual victims. List of September 11 Fund Grant Recipients. I gather this is related to the whole Bill O'Reilly-Red Cross wrangle.

Also of note here is the recent survey indicating that Southerners did give more money to charity, but did so through churches, rather than through secular, non-denominational organizations like the United Way. The same survey showed the Northeast giving particularly little to charities.

As we've seen at FR, these state ratings tend to generate ill-will and wild charges back and forth. People feel that the honor of their state and their own personal reputation are at stake. One wonders why the United Way sticks their foot into such muddy or turbulent waters.

71 posted on 11/23/2001 7:02:09 AM PST by x
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To: Phantom Lord
Since you intend to make NC your home....may I suggest you engage your questioners in conversation and educate them about New York (the state) versus NY (the city)....instead of complaining they don't know. Or you could quit saying you are from NY....no one would blame you.
72 posted on 11/23/2001 7:02:58 AM PST by JD86
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To: yarddog
The South before 1860 was doing much better than the North economically.

So the 4 million slaves all lived in their own nice houses and were able to provide their children with the education to grow up and make the most out of the American dream?

73 posted on 11/23/2001 7:03:12 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
The good thing about NM going to Gore was there are so few people and so few electoral votes, it didn't make any big difference. Lets hope it stays very few people.
74 posted on 11/23/2001 7:03:16 AM PST by FITZ
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To: LarryLied
The United Way neeeds to go away.
76 posted on 11/23/2001 7:03:59 AM PST by bmwcyle
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To: yarddog
It was surprising (maybe even astounding) how many wealthy people lived in many of those Southern Counties.

It's amazing how wealthy one can get if he doesn't have to pay his employees and they are not allowed to leave the workplace.

77 posted on 11/23/2001 7:05:04 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Fan....

Atlanta conservative???? Not hardly..All those yankee liberals that moved there have taken over the city without firing a shot this time around. I know a few of them from the northern rustbelt that reside in Atlanta and they are indeed trying to transplant their yankee ideas in the south.

78 posted on 11/23/2001 7:06:13 AM PST by cynicom
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
It's only fair that some of that come back to help repair some of the near mortal wounds the rest of you gave God's country in the name of Satan.

Give it a rest. Your prejudice is showing.

79 posted on 11/23/2001 7:08:37 AM PST by JD86
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To: Paul Atreides
I live in Alabama and I only have one lock and one chain on my front door...

We never locked our door the whole time I was growing up here in Illinois.

80 posted on 11/23/2001 7:08:39 AM PST by #3Fan
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