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I am a Christian Man (Response to "I am a Muslim Woman")
Self | November 21, 2001 | Jeff Head

Posted on 11/21/2001 7:53:40 AM PST by Jeff Head

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To: calvarys
You speak of all these *noble concepts*...then speak of *terrrible retribution*. Another confused human being pretending to be Christian. You don't know very much of Christianity if you have that much hate in your heart.

I didn't hear hate myself...perhaps you would care to elaborate?......

121 posted on 11/21/2001 1:51:16 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Jeff Head
Well done Grampa Jeff! You have that look of a loving Grampa in #72. I told you that it was something special!

Well done on the letter! My response to the local and all Muslims: "You are either with us or against us in this Jihad of ours against terrorism. Also, don't lie to me about we deserved this or the mass murders were due to the poverty we caused. Your Islamic fanatics involved in this mass murder from the Super Rich Saudis, including Saudi OBL to the Super Rich Saddem have more than enough money to prevent any Arabic child from starving. However these people invest in mass murder and death to the innocent instead of feeding their own people!"

Soon the truth of how much so many of your Muslims really hate America/Americans will be out for all to see. Do you want to be on the side that OBL and his Taliban thugs chose? The Choice is yours, and I really don't care. Just make your choice and stand by it!

Justice is being served up, and you are either with us or against. I don't really care! You just let us/me know? The choice is yours like the choice the Talibanis made!

122 posted on 11/21/2001 1:53:52 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Jeff Head
The combination of free will and foundational, individual moral restraint is, I believe, the best combination given the imperfections.

Well said. Hurry back......;)

123 posted on 11/21/2001 1:54:08 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: ThreeOfSeven
You know, I have attempted to be reasoned and civil with you ... but you apparently want to turn this into something it is not.

I condemn all wanton killing of innocents and massacres ... but I also recognize that when one party agresses on another and plunges all into the horror of war, terrible things happen. War is not exacting, it is not forgiving and it is not clinical.

IMHO, once embarked, any unfortunate, unforseen or unitnedned horrors fall right at the feet of the original perpetrators, just like in any crime. If war develops to wholesale, society against society variety, then entire citiies and classes of people end up suffering as they did in WW II. We fire bombed entire cities to break the will of a people committed to a war effort bent on destroying us. Do I mourn that? Yes. Do I abhor it? Yes. Do I blame the B-17 and B-29 pilots or our policy makers? NO, I blame the perpetrators who plunged the world into it with their horror, just as I blame the perps here.

If our side knowingly and wontingly committs atrocities, then I will stand against it. I did so with the entire Kosovo debacle.

At any rate, I have said my piece to you. I am more than willing to let others judge as they will, just as you and I have done.

Now, I am past the time my family is wanting us to leave. So I'll just close with that. I believe my position is clear and I do not apologize for it or feel the need to further defend or explain it to you. Like I said, readers can come to their own conclusions.

124 posted on 11/21/2001 1:54:37 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: ThreeOfSeven
Still there?
125 posted on 11/21/2001 2:03:09 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Jeff Head
May God bless you richly Brother. Don't you just love when God takes over your keyboard?
126 posted on 11/21/2001 2:29:05 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Still there?

Did you want something?

127 posted on 11/21/2001 2:31:26 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: Jeff Head
I too believe in my Gods' love for me. And although I believe in tolerating others to a point, I do not believe my God put me here to suffer at the hands of my enemies.

FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC.

More than my own life I value God, Family and my Republic all of which I will defend. Even though it means I will be labeled a "terrorist" in my own country as it's written in an FBI flyer on how to recognize terrorists. Which says people who defend the Constitution against the federal government and the un are suspects.

In my city a mideast man was arrested because he had ID making equipment (one of the things listed in the terrorist manual on smoking gun.com was having multiple ID's)the Islamic Temple here denounced what happened September 11, but when this man asked for counceling from the Temple, they obliged him. Another man bought all the CD players at a K Mart here, the manager thought it was suspicious and wactched him load his van, it just happened to be full of CD players. Thinking it was suspicious she called the police, who called the fbi. The fbi informed her that there's a chip in the CD players that can be used in making a device to shut down electronic equipment, and that this was happening in many places. I asked around and found out about E-Bombs, I don't have the address but all you have to do is type in E-Bombs by Jim Wilson and you'll get the story.

My point is that when, not if the SHTF it would be good for people to know where You stand. Panic will result in terrible things and people will strike at anything that appears to be a threat, even if it's a mild one.

At a unlicensed church conference I attended there was a street Preacher who climbed the flag pole at the state capitol in Ohio to tear down a sodomite flag. He said that God commanded him to. I tired to talk to him to ask him "How do you know when it's God telling you, or your temper?" With other people crowding in and it being lunch time he didn't get a chance to answer me.

Believing as I do about what I see coming, this has been an important question to me. As soon as I asked the question though, this is the answer that came to my mind "When it's for Gods' Glory and not my own."

I hope everyone keeps this in mind, when they're not sure of what to do.

God has never needed us to kill anyone, even though there have been many "religeous" wars. Jesus never asked us to kill anyone in His Name either.

Strengthen your Faith, Protect the ones you Love and Pray for the rest.

Sorry if this appears to jump around and not be related, but I tried to not write a book.

Peace be with You

128 posted on 11/21/2001 2:35:05 PM PST by Eustace
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To: ThreeOfSeven
Quite a bit.............how 'bout a response to this-----

I condemn all wanton killing of innocents and massacres ... but I also recognize that when one party agresses on another and plunges all into the horror of war, terrible things happen. War is not exacting, it is not forgiving and it is not clinical.

........and this......

IMHO, once embarked, any unfortunate, unforseen or unitnedned horrors fall right at the feet of the original perpetrators, just like in any crime.

...and this........

If war develops to wholesale, society against society variety, then entire citiies and classes of people end up suffering as they did in WW II. We fire bombed entire cities to break the will of a people committed to a war effort bent on destroying us. Do I mourn that? Yes. Do I abhor it? Yes. Do I blame the B-17 and B-29 pilots or our policy makers? NO, I blame the perpetrators who plunged the world into it with their horror, just as I blame the perps here.

.......and this.......

If our side knowingly and wontingly committs atrocities, then I will stand against it. I did so with the entire Kosovo debacle.

.....as well as this.

129 posted on 11/21/2001 2:38:01 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Jeff Head
GREAT post!

Cheers, CC :)

BUMP!

130 posted on 11/21/2001 2:38:34 PM PST by CheneyChick
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To: ThreeOfSeven
....and please feel free to use "agree" or "disagree" as you see fit.
131 posted on 11/21/2001 2:40:23 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: tonycavanagh
Nah, Tony. You probably just aged well like a fine wine.

You just found someone who knows about fine wines and was ready to pop your cork!

;-)

132 posted on 11/21/2001 2:54:14 PM PST by Truant Mom
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I had my say and Jeff had his response. That's enough for me. I don't want to parse or comment on the man's parting post.
133 posted on 11/21/2001 2:54:17 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: ThreeOfSeven
Happy Thanksgiving, ThreeOfSeven.
134 posted on 11/21/2001 2:59:01 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Happy Thankgiving!
135 posted on 11/21/2001 3:03:05 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: ppaul
Tell Battle Cry that but for the Crusaders, they might be speaking Arabic. Christianity started 1500 years before a few European heritics tried to reinvent it and correct the mistakes that Jesus made.
136 posted on 11/21/2001 3:05:18 PM PST by Rushian
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To: Jeff Head
Very well said.

Say hi to Jared for me and have a happy Thanksgiving. I miss you guys.

137 posted on 11/21/2001 3:09:58 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: Jeff Head
Very well stated . . . Daddy Jeff !!! :-))
138 posted on 11/21/2001 3:23:53 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Jeff Head
I agree with you Jeff, if Mrs. Rini would just have been or shown her outrage, she did not.

I have been a Christian since I was 14 and was raised in a Christian home with the same exact beliefs as you wrote about.Thank you for writing this much better then I ever could.God bless you Jeff and your precious family and grandchild.

139 posted on 11/21/2001 4:35:54 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: theartfuldodger
I'll try to figure out why I can sometimes see one but not the other.
Glad I could help .. I also run into some sites that you can only see if you key the WWW. It is clearly my belief though that this is based on the capabilities of the website doing the hosting. I'm not the tech giant that I would like to be, but I am interested how you confirm this one way or the other....
140 posted on 11/21/2001 4:46:01 PM PST by AgThorn
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