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ABC in the Hot Seat for Underwear Show
Newsmax ^ | 11/20/01 | C Limbacher

Posted on 11/20/2001 11:43:43 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Groups ranging from Parents Television Council to National Organization for Women are furious at ABC for devoting a prime-time hour to models strutting in undies.

"This year, in particular, it seems like there's been a lot more crass and vulgar content on TV than I've seen in years past," said Melissa Caldwell, research director of Parents Television Council.

The low-rated network is making "a sad attempt to lift its ratings with Miracle Bras," griped NOW President Kim Gandy.

A Federal Communications Commission member has asked for an investigation into whether the Victoria's Secret fashion "special" violated indecency regulations, the Associated Press reported today.

The program attracted only 12.3 million viewers Thursday - finishing third in its time slot.

ABC is making no apologies for the skin show. It says it deleted the diciest footage.

"There has certainly been racier things on television than this," huffed Andrea Wong, the ABC executive in charge of "alternative programming," whatever that entails.


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To: Old Hickory
Get with the program. Sleaze sells. Americans are buying. It's commerce. You cannot legislate morality.

There is a "market" for every type of activity you can think of. The question we have to ask ourselves as a society is what price do we pay in allowing a niche to be filled on the supply side? To take an extreme example, there are some people in this country who are consumers of contraband child pornography ("contraband" because child pornography is illegal in the US). Does the fact that "Americans are buying" justify its selling? Should it then be legal because someone is willing to buy it? How far do we go and where do we draw the line? How do we handle the societal effects of the "anything goes" environment? (or even agree on what they are, for that matter).

21 posted on 11/20/2001 12:05:25 PM PST by Pete
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To: NittanyLion
I watched it for the "art".

ROTFL!

22 posted on 11/20/2001 12:06:28 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I must admit, I monitored the program, but only for the artistic value. Anything that gets the NOW gang peeved can't be bad.
23 posted on 11/20/2001 12:06:30 PM PST by SoDak
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To: Flint
I don't know of a rerun, but here's a link to some pictures. Outrageous!

Hindustan Times

Go to the right hand margin, click "Victoria's sexy secrets!"

24 posted on 11/20/2001 12:07:36 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Flint
Imagine the first 40 minutes wasted. The next 5 with nice looking females strolling up and down a promanade in lingerie, 5 more wasted minutes, 5 more minutes of strolling, and a two minute finale. No drooling... please.
25 posted on 11/20/2001 12:07:41 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: ahariail
All of those broads are flat. They went through their teenage years wearing trainers.
26 posted on 11/20/2001 12:10:28 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: JoeGar
Shucks, I watched it and thought it was a KOTEX comercial.
27 posted on 11/20/2001 12:10:40 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It says it deleted the diciest footage.

Wonder if they are going to sell the uncut version.

28 posted on 11/20/2001 12:15:20 PM PST by SolitaryMan
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To: Flint
Furthermore, I thought the show attempted to reflect and validate certain religious sympathies appropriate in the context.


Angels

29 posted on 11/20/2001 12:15:22 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
They deleted the diciest footage? Then I'm glad I didn't watch it. And I'd be much more impressed if NOW was upset with ABC for supporting a rapist in the Stained White House.
30 posted on 11/20/2001 12:16:39 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
All of those broads are flat

Apparently you missed the parts with Tyra Banks and Heidi Klum.

31 posted on 11/20/2001 12:20:47 PM PST by gdani
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To: Terry Mross; Flint
Enjoy anything you missed!
32 posted on 11/20/2001 12:21:23 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: gdani

Tyra Banks
33 posted on 11/20/2001 12:22:52 PM PST by Shermy
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To: gdani
All of those NOW broads.
34 posted on 11/20/2001 12:22:53 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Old Hickory
Those that want to stop ABC from this type of programming should just go join the Taliban. Get with the program. Sleaze sells. Americans are buying. It's commerce. You cannot legislate morality.

Next year they will air it uncut on HBO, screw network tv anyway.

35 posted on 11/20/2001 12:29:35 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I saw nothing prurient in the show. If I had, I would not have turned it off after five minutes. All the models needed to gain 20 or 30 pounds. Women and gays must produce these shows. Most guys aren't into skeletal women. We like padding. Lots of padding.
36 posted on 11/20/2001 12:33:34 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Let's see, you have the Puritans on one side and the fascists on the other joining forces against the evil of women's lingerie. What a country.
37 posted on 11/20/2001 12:34:21 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Diddle E. Squat
We have pretty much given up the fight to maintain moral standards on all TV

I think you have it backwards, you have won, network TV is tame, just take a peak at what is on cable or satellite if you want to see the future of entertainment, problem is no one but you still watches network TV, keep buying.

38 posted on 11/20/2001 12:34:24 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: TightSqueeze
Next year they will air it uncut on HBO, screw network tv anyway

Speaking of HBO, I wonder if NOW and PTC saw that Britney Spears concert on HBO Sunday? I officially became a dirty old man on that day

39 posted on 11/20/2001 12:34:45 PM PST by gdani
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To: Shermy
ABC Taking Heat for Supermodel Show
FOX
AP

Tyra Banks at the Victoria's Secret fashion show.
Tuesday, November 20, 2001

NEW YORK — ABC is telling critics of its racy Victoria's Secret fashion special that they should see what hit the cutting-room floor.

The network, which is taking heat for devoting a prime-time hour to supermodels strutting in underwear, said it edited out camera shots that showed more skin.

"There has certainly been racier things on television than this," said Andrea Wong, the ABC executive in charge of alternative programming.

Groups with as divergent politically as the National Organization for Women and the Parents Television Council are criticizing ABC for airing the special, and a Federal Communications Commission member has asked for an investigation into whether it violated indecency regulations.

The special drew 12.3 million viewers Thursday, finishing third in its time slot and doing marginally better than the show it replaced. "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire," which normally airs at that time, has an average audience of just under 11 million.

Michael Copps, an FCC commissioner, said he received dozens of complaints about the show and promotions for it that ran in advance.

"I would hope that television broadcasters would go the extra mile in exercising self-discipline when airing programming during the hours when children are likely to be in the audience," Copp said.

ABC pointed out that the program was clearly identified as being for mature viewers and that parents had the opportunity to tune it out.

Wong said ABC was assured that the fashion show would be no racier than the one Victoria's Secret sponsored as a Web cast last year. Still, ABC's standards division went over the show carefully before it was aired, she said.

"There are certain things that not everybody in the world is going to be happy with," she said. "It's impossible to please everyone."

ABC has pushed the standards envelope twice this month in different directions. Besides the Victoria's Secret show, it aired an uncut version of the movie, "Saving Private Ryan," with its violent opening scene of the D-Day invasion.

Broadcast standards in general have been in upheaval. The biggest broadcasters debate internally how far they can go in depicting violence, sexual content and strong language at a time cable networks have much more freedom.

Melissa Caldwell, research director of the Parents Television Council, said she doubted something like the Victoria's Secret special would have been on broadcast TV until recently.

"This year, in particular, it seems like there's been a lot more crass and vulgar content on TV than I've seen in years past," she said.

At the same time as the fashion show, CBS was airing an episode of "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" that depicted a murder in a sadomasochistic sex club, and Fox was showing "Temptation Island," its titillating reality series about couples tested by swinging singles.

NOW complained about ABC's use of prime time to promote the sexual exploitation of women. NOW President Kim Gandy said ABC was making "a sad attempt to lift its ratings with Miracle Bras." ABC has been struggling mightily in the ratings this television season.

The fashion show was nothing but an infomercial for Victoria's Secret, Gandy said.

The lingerie maker, owned primarily by the Columbus, Ohio-based The Limited Inc., paid to produce the fashion show, Wong said. The company was also responsible for buying most of the commercial time on the hour, to either use itself or sell to others.

"We pass all the time on infomercials and time buys that we don't think are going to draw viewers or be entertaining," Wong said. "To us, this was pure, escapist entertainment."

40 posted on 11/20/2001 12:39:45 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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