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To: bluefish
Heh heh.. Back to calling me a liberal I see.

I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

The last resort of somebody who can't articulate a conherant argument against Libertarianism and who fails to see the difference.

I can, but it's usually a waste of time trying to argue with stoned hippies.

Your ignorance continues to show in your name-calling - something Liberals generally resort to when they can't argue with the logical points advanced by a conservative. See? Just like I said. Your approach has reduced us to calling each other liberals. You won't see how you compare though because you are obviously utterly cluesless about what constitutes liberalism, conservatism or libertarianism.

Hey, you can call me a liberal all you want, but I'm not the one living in San Franciso, smoking dope, and putting flowers in my hair.

By the way, I'm a tobacco chewer. I guess that makes me a hick. Even in liberal San Francisco. Man, that must really screw with your preconceived notions about who I am now. Actually, I had no preconceived notion about where you live or your lifestyle. Some of the worst totalitarian offenders live in the biggest East Coast liberal cities.

Nah, I know plenty of hippies that have switched to chew. Smoking is not politically correct right now.

You see, I fear you like I fear a Teddy Kennedy more than I fear a "Bible Thumping hillbilly." Simply because like Teddy Kennedy, you believe big brother government can solve all the country's problems.

I don't think big brother government can solve any of todays problems. I do believe that government (read: WE THE PEOPLE) have a right to limit actions harmful to society (READ: WE THE PEOPLE). Libertarians, on the other hand, think that society or government (WE THE PEOPLE) have no right to limit things that they "perceive" as being harmless...and thus when they try to adovocate a view or change a law, they (like liberals) resort to emotionalism and appeals to strawmen.

You may disagree with him about the end results, but you certainly place faith in his totalitarian, socialistic approach to society. This is why I disagree with your approach. I do not want you, in your misguided and shortsighted attempts to give government power, to discover that that power can easily be turned against you when the balance of power shifts from "your man" to "their man."

You couldn't be more wrong. The end results of libertarian policy WILL be the exact results that Teddy Kennedy wants. Why do you think liberal and libertarians fight for generally the same cultural issues? It's because destruction of culture must occur BEFORE destruction of government. You libertarians have been duped into thinking that your "causes" are patriotic and conservative when in reality they are only the same old lame attempts to destroy American culture that liberals have been trying to do for years.

I've attempted to explain this and you have no ability to understand why I favor limited government. Instead, you resort to calling me a Liberal and analyzing where I live, as if that will tell you who I am. This is apparently the only thing you know how to do - accuse someone of being something they are just about the opposite of, simply because their approach to government doesn't jive with your naive view of government, totalitarian socialist systems, and the evil it brings down on society.

I don't mind that libertarians favor limited government, but it seems like the government they are most interested in limiting are the functions that have to do with restrictions on drugs and porn.

758 posted on 11/20/2001 10:55:33 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
"I know plenty of hippies that have switched to chew."

This may be the only statement in your multitudinous postings that has a foundation, however tenuous, in reality.

But that speaks to your place in society, not to our concern about 'Big Brother'.

764 posted on 11/20/2001 11:35:28 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: DouglasKC
Actually, it is people like you who believe your authoritarian approach to society will end with drugs and porn that is the problem. This is what I see as naive. You want to limit the argument to these issues and many libertarians fall into the trap of defending them to defend the greater protection of personal freedom. This is what allows you to come back and accuse them of being dope-smoking liberals blah blah. I haven't even defended drugs and you still resort to the refrain, not aware that my issue is a broader, more philosophical one rooted in a recognition of the slippery slope, which you conveniently bury your head in the sand and ignore.

You can't be reasoned with, and I have no desire to listen to baseless charges from a {WARNING TO WOULD BE ABUSE BUTTON PUSHERS - NOTE THE FOLLOW UP SENTENCE} pinko, porn loving, dope smoking, sister raping homosexual like yourself. Now see, that was rather silly, wasn't it? And the charge was no more grounded in fact than those you continue to level at me. I'm finished with you.

766 posted on 11/20/2001 11:35:46 AM PST by bluefish
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