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To: Stand Watch Listen
These places have no right to be in business in the First Place IMHO. Corrupting the morals of society is wrong, Case Law Supports this, dating all the way back to the 1800's.

Supreme Court of Pennsylvania 1815 in the case of The Commonwealth v. Jesse Sharpless and others, 2 Serg. & R. 91-92, 97, 101-104 (1815), (case of an "a certain lewd...obscene painting, representing a man in an obscene...and indecent posture with a woman..."). Court’s verdict delivered by Judge Duncan: "...Whatever tends to the destruction of morality, in general, may be punishable criminally. Crimes are punishable offenses, not because they are perpetrated publicly, but because their effect is to injure the public... ...A picture tends to excite lust, as strongly as writing; and the showing of a picture is as much a publication as the selling of a book... ...If the privacy of the room was a protection, all the youth of the city might be corrupted, by taking them, one by one, into a chamber, and there inflaming their passions by the exhibition of lascivious pictures." In a demonstration of the strong feelings of the court on this issue, a second Justice, Judge Yates, added to the decision: "Although every immoral act, such as lying, etc., is not indictable, yet where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general...it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid... The corruption of the public mind, in general, and debauching the manners of youth, in particular, by lewd and obscene pictures exhibited to view, must necessarily be attended with the most injurious consequences.... No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people; secret poison can not be thus disseminated."

Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957): "We hold that obscenity is not within the area of constitutionally protected speech or press."

Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, (1973): "This much has been categorically settled by the court, that obscene material is unprotected by the First Amendment."

Paris Adult Theater v. Slaton, (1973): "We categorically disapprove the theory that obscene films acquire Constitutional immunity from state regulation simply because they are exhibited for consenting adults only. Rights and interests other than those of the advocates are involved. These include the interest of the public in the quality of life, the total community environment, the tone of commerce and possibly the public safety itself."

Paris Adult Theatre v. Slaton, (1973): "Mere availability of similar materials by itself means nothing more than other persons are engaged in similar activities [perhaps illegal]."

Hambling v. United States, (1974): "[T]he availability of similar materials on the newsstands of the community does not automatically make them admissible as tending to prove the non-obscenity of the materials which the defendant is charged with circulating."

Paris Adult Theatre v. Slaton, (1973): "The sum of experience affords an ample basis...to conclude that a sensitive, key relationship of human existence, center to family life, community welfare and the development of the human personality, can be debased and distorted by crass commercial exploitation of sex."

Miller v. California (1973): "In our view, to equate the free and robust exchange of ideas and political debate with commercial exploitation of obscene material, demeans the grand conception of the First Amendment and its high purposes in the historic struggle for freedom."

To those saying that Churches and Firearms will be next, The 1st and 2nd Amendment PROTECTS Churches and Firearms.

OBSCENE MATERIAL IS NOT PROTECTED! Liberals, Libertarians, and their Ilk WANT You to think it is, but it is not. Our Founding Fathers did not believe so, Case Law does not support it. Their Protection to corrupt society's morals exists only in the minds of the Libertarian or Liberal.

10 posted on 11/19/2001 12:59:40 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
Funny how censors like to quote court decisions and not the Constitution itself.

Case law very often runs afoul of the Constitution. I'll take what the Constitution says in plain English, not what judges and lawyers tell me it says.

15 posted on 11/19/2001 1:04:27 PM PST by freeeee
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To: FF578
I guess we should add lifestylepolice to gungrabbers/drugwarriors.
17 posted on 11/19/2001 1:05:15 PM PST by gcruse
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To: FF578
Our Founding Fathers did not believe so

Do you have anything to back up your claim?

18 posted on 11/19/2001 1:06:19 PM PST by freeeee
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To: FF578
Burqas for everyone!
21 posted on 11/19/2001 1:09:27 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: FF578
Excuuuuse me,when the guvmint let a library have a dildo exhibit but says you can't have a flag I have a problem with that.If these bussineses are violating zone ordinances then thats another story.Sex,nudity and drugs are nothing more than a reason for the police to controle the sheeple,index them into a criminal file and justify their own existence IMHO.We don't need no stinking morality police.
25 posted on 11/19/2001 1:14:39 PM PST by eastforker
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To: FF578
Corrupting the morals of society is wrong

Our society has morals?

82 posted on 11/19/2001 8:14:39 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: FF578
While I disagree with much of your thinking, thank-you for at least stating libertarians and liberals are two differnet political thought systems. You have however linked them enough to hide the fact that they may agree on an issue for two very different reasons altogether. Perhaps a subtle attempt to tie them together to confuse the self-identified conservatives on the forum who have a broad understanding of what being conservativism is with respect to personal beliefs, yet may not understand what libertarianism is with respect to philosophy of government.

Remember now, many liberals, socialists and communists will also agree with YOU on the pornography issue (feminists, Stalinist Russia, etc.), so be careful about pinning labels together and trying to suggest they are the same thing. This is what always results in the silly "Libertarians are Liberals" / "No their not, Social Conservatives are Nazis which are Socialists" tennis match that goes nowhere.

84 posted on 11/19/2001 8:26:14 PM PST by bluefish
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To: FF578
Miller v. California (1973): "In our view, to equate the free and robust exchange of ideas and political debate with commercial exploitation of obscene material, demeans the grand conception of the First Amendment and its high purposes in the historic struggle for freedom."

Well said!

88 posted on 11/19/2001 11:31:57 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: FF578
That's interesting. Who gets to decide what's obscene? What are the qualifications? How long can they do the job before they themselves are corrupted? What standards will we use? Will historical works be exempted? If not, what will happen to them? Will we engage in mass destruction of historical works? What about medical works on sexuality? Quis custodiet etc etc.
98 posted on 11/20/2001 1:22:51 AM PST by slhill
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To: FF578
What is obscene to one person is not to another, do you think a religion that promotes beating women, executing them and the like is not obscene?
124 posted on 11/20/2001 2:06:30 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: FF578
Case Law does not support it

Case Law also says abortion is legal. If you live by legal precedent....

IF you will notice, the Libertarians and Liberals who support the Porn/Drug/Abortion/Homosexual Agenda on this forum will not debate you, they will only throw insults in your Direction claiming that you are the Taliban.

There have been direct non-taliban questions and statements directed at you...you however are not replying to them.

137 posted on 11/20/2001 2:30:57 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt
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