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To: bluecollarman
I don't know, would you also agree the other "insoluble issue" was state's rights? If every Southern slave had been freed, and then the South had seceded, would war have happened anyway?

The reason that states' rights was so important to the South is that the area they wanted to exercise their rights in was that of slavery.

Or do you think they would have seceded just to prove they could?

My point has always been that the North and South gradually drew apart emotionally, until many in the South no longer felt the "ties that bind" to the Union. The issue that created this distance was that of slavery.

Secession was in many ways like a divorce. Few people get divorced just because they believe they have a legal right to do so. They get divorced because they want OUT for some reason. The reason they want out is the root cause of the breakup, regardless of what rationale they may come up with to justify their actions.

430 posted on 11/23/2001 1:40:38 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
"Secession was in many ways like a divorce. Few people get divorced just because they believe they have a legal right to do so.

.Your nearly got it. The analogy would be more like an abusive/controlling relationship where one mate threatens to beat the hell out of the other one if he/she decides to leave. Then they would declare the divorce laws unconstitutional. Yes, people will get divorced to get out of bad relationships.

436 posted on 11/23/2001 6:46:03 PM PST by bluecollarman
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To: Restorer
Answer me this... If I concede all of your points. The war was about slavery, and any other you may argue. Why would you forbid me to honor my heritage as I understand it? Do we have to agree? You wish me to give up my freedom of expression and association? You wish for me to dishonor what I consider to be noble men dying for a cause they believed in? Why? Because they were on the losing side of the war? What would you allow me? I warn you... today they come for the "Battle Flag", and "Dixie", tomorrow it is "Columbus Day" and eventually it is "Old Glory".

When they are through with us, they will turn on you, these people who revile us. They will call for a new flag, reparations, and you will be made to pay dearly for the sins of your fathers, just as we are being ask to.

You will be ask to denounce your great grand fathers and Uncles and even the founding fathers as racists men with no character. It will be your history books that are revised and sanitized to fit the PC crowd, It is happening already.

My views and convictions are the front line defense to preserve your views and convictions, can't you see that?

437 posted on 11/23/2001 7:14:59 PM PST by bluecollarman
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