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To: Restorer
"It was all about money for Grant"

I was wrong about Grant on this point I was attributing Sherman's remark to Grant.

401 posted on 11/22/2001 4:25:06 PM PST by bluecollarman
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To: bluecollarman
You have not answered my question about why so many apologists for the South seem to feel that their case can best be made by attacking the personal integrity of Union heroes like Lincoln and Grant. While most of those defending the Union position are perfectly willing to recognize that many Southerners, such as Lee and Davis, were noble individuals fighting for an inherently ignoble cause.

Why is that?

The mis-used expression "mean-spirited" comes to mind. My understanding is that most of those who actually fought for the South, including Davis and Lee, eventually recognized the nobility of their opponents.

Nobody ever pinned any personl financial impropriety on either Lincoln or Grant. If they were evil men, it wasn't for personal gain. Lincoln actually gave his life for the cause he believed in. Grant risked his many times.

(Although Grant had many subordinates who were crooked during his Presidency, apparently he was personally honest throughout.)

406 posted on 11/22/2001 5:20:59 PM PST by Restorer
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To: bluecollarman
Just to take the Grant business one step further:

As commander of the southern districts set up after the war, Grant on several occasions toured the south. The business of segregating blacks was only just beginning in some areas, and South Carolina was one of them. One his trips there, it was not uncommon to find that Grant would take a seat on the train in the cars reserved for blacks. In the 1960's such folks were called freedom riders. This was unheard of in Southern society of the day.

Another small point about Grant: In the KKK crisis of the reconstruction, it was Grant who signed the KKK Act which put the KKK out of business as a visible power and forced it to go underground. Although this did not stop it, the Act had a very profound impact on it's course and effectively ended it's real overt threat of revolution. This act, later warm-heartedly gutted by SCOTUS, remained the legal precedent that allowed for the breakup of the KKK in the 1960's when it started to take to it's old ways of murder and arson.

Most of the hostility to Grant that you find today stems from the steps he took in his administration which no President until Truman had the nerve to even touch again. Grant's attitude to blacks and racism was extremely critical to our development into the country we are today, and it was based in large part to his feelings about how blacks had served their country loyally in the Union Army while many other whites became traitors to the nation.

408 posted on 11/22/2001 5:27:29 PM PST by Elihu Burritt
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